Dear friends, [NOTE; the caps are not SCREAMS but HIGHLIGHTS] I am also relatively new to this list and have been reading much of the correspondance dealing with the day to day issues of networking; which have been very valuable. But the discussions on whether or not certs are worth their while have been shoved back and forth too many times. In my very humble opinion, the cert program makes you focus on the fundamentals. It is a very good stepping stone from total ignorant, such as what I was when I jumped with both feet into the IT world, to someone who has a fairly decent VOCABULARY to start READING THE STORY and TRAVELLING THE TERRITORY. Also in my very humble opinion, VERY humble opinion, since I am not even close to being there with the CCIE (or JNCIE, whichever is the victor in the end - or even if that will ever matter - be both if you can): If the CCIE cert program is as intense as described merely by its failure rate and the vastness of the material to which one has to be exposed to earn the thing, then that person with the CCIE will have a VERY LARGE vocabulary to get a great HEAD START, much greater than one who is not exposed to the broad (albeit "somewhat theoretic") material, if not GETTING THERE right away, depending on the context. I am at this point to be fortunate enough to be pushing away at VOIP and Ethernet technology in a practical environment: Guess what? The MCSE got me to the first round, and the CCNA to the second, because both gave me ADEQUATE BACKGROUND to START THE TRUE LEARNING PROCESS MORE EFFICIENTLY in the WORK ENVIRONMENT. It would have taken me much longer otherwise. I totally encourage all those wishing to push for their certs to GO full speed at ahead. Regards, Jack Nalbandian, CCNA, MCSE Network Engineer DATAFLEX - U.S. Operations 310.445.1052 x275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.telephonyexperts.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=5935&t=5935 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

