In my opinion, CCIE's are definitely needed for the internet. What I mean
by that is cisco like all others needs people out there to setup and manage
networks. Making the exam harder and harder may make a good CCIE
candidates, however the markets usually will not wait to get the all-rounder
CCxx from Cisco. Because Ms.Juniper and Mrs.Foundry are all pushing for
people to be good at making and managing networks. The more reccomenders or
users the better sales. When you have more CCIE's and CCNP's and of course
CCNA's the more reccommenders for Cisco products. Same is the case with all
products. And as long as Cisco can back the recomender with the quality
products, there is a good future for CCIE's etc. Few years ago it was Novxx
and Microxx certification was the way to go, how ever Novxx could not back
the reccommender with quality and so may be doing the last dance now.
Microxx just understood the idea but patches for greed is yet to be
invented. Judge Jacksxx is still working on it. CCIE is only another level
of knowledge. It probably will be seen different if the standard is to have
Phd's in networking. So work hard in knowing more. Explore the unknown,
expand the known. That is the only way you will be the best in what you do.
CCIE is the best now, however what % of every CCIE does the world need.
Should they all specialize?
By the way, all the above statements are only opinions and should not be
used directly or indirectly for any decision making.
"No Data" wrote in message
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> As far as this thread goes Ill put in my two cents
> worth.
>
> Im just starting to study specifically for the written
> right now having just gotten my CCNP so I am in with
> those studying for the lab now (or real soon).
> Personally I think Cisco could go right ahead and make
> the lab as hard as they want. In all honesty I never
> see the lab being as hard as the orals a 'pure
> science' graduate student must take. It is only, and
> will probably ever only be a technical exam and will
> never even come close to the difficulty of a
> theoretical examination where new ideas must digested
> and expounded upon. Everyone has always known what to
> study, routing and switching on cisco
> hardware/software, these are not massively huge topics
> as a fairly comprehensive library would only fill a
> couple bookshelves. In fact I wouldnt mind if the
> test was a single question 'Redesign the overall
> topology of the Internet with regards to emerging
> traffic patterns expounding upon different paradigms
> of routing. Give specific configuration examples at
> all levels of the network using any given piece of
> Cisco equipment.' The current lab is not that hard
> and will never be that hard, but if it was I would not
> be disappointed, I would personally like such a
> challenge. CCIE is not the be all and end all of
> knowledge; it is just a verification of technical
> skills on a small selection of platforms. If it was
> made more difficult I would not begrudge anyone else
> who achieved the certification before it was made
> harder, I am comfortable with my skills and abilities
> and really feel no need to use a paper certification
> as a crutch for the future. Studying for the written
> and lab though does help me to focus and explore
> routing so I continue to do it. In conclusion, it
> should be as hard or as easy as Cisco wants it to be,
> I am confident that I will still pass no matter what
> when I take the lab a year from now.
>
> Ben, CCNP
>
> --- Circusnuts wrote:
> > Louie- I don't think we're talk'n Apple to Apples
> > here...
> >
> > During the early CCIE exams, I was told candidates
> > were able to use their
> > own notes during the test (if Pamela Forsythe is out
> > there, she could
> > confirm this rumor) & can you imagine how much
> > "easier" the lab would have
> > been with versions 9.0, 10.0 or even 11.0(22) IOS.
> > I agree there's more
> > information available, but after having sat through
> > a 2 week CCIE lab prep
> > class... I think the information just gets you in
> > the ballpark. Things
> > like bad time management & poor interpretations, are
> > big obstacles no book
> > can fix. I believe the exam is as hard (if not
> > harder) than it's ever been.
> >
> > Man- this cup of coffee I'm drink'n must not be
> > decaff :o)
> > Phil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Louie Belt
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > > When the CCIE cert first came about there were not
> > 100+ books avilable to
> > > help you pass it. There were not a multitude of
> > online labs, lab study
> > > guides, study groups, ... Since all of those
> > items are now available, I
> > > feel the bar has been lowered. I'm for putting it
> > back where it was.
> > >
> > > Additionally I'm studying for my second CCIE cert,
> > I sincerely hope that
> > it
> > > is much tougher than my first. I want to maintain
> > the value of the cert.
> > >
> > > Louie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Michael L. Williams
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:09 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab?
> > [7:6735]
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with you. It's awful easy for someone
> > who's already gotten their
> > > CCIE (which when they passed the lab probably
> > could be quoted as saying
> > > something like "that was the most difficult thing
> > I've ever seen") to now
> > > say "Sure...... make it as difficult as
> > possible.... "
> > >
> > > I don't know many CCIEs personally. Only a
> > couple, and both of them said
> > > that given the time constraints of the lab (2
> > days), it is extremely
> > > difficult. So I don't think jamming it into 1 day
> > just because Cisco is
> > too
> > > cheap to spring for more testing centers to keep
> > up with demand is a
> > > "resonable solution". Isn't this why Cisco is
> > contemplating making it 1
> > > day? Not to "raise the bar" of the level of the
> > exam, but simply because
> > > they're testing centers can't handle the demand.
> > Mashing into 1 day,
> > IMHO,
> > > would be a very poor decision.
> > >
> > > Agreeing with Brad, do all of the CCIEs that are
> > out there have a problem
> > > with leaving the bar where it was when you passed
> > it? It only seems fair.
> > >
> > > Mike W.
> > >
> > > "Bradley J. Wilson" wrote in message
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > If I weren't up to the challenge, I wouldn't be
> > on this newsgroup. Are
> > > you
> > > > up to the challenge of leaving the bar at the
> > same height that it was
> > when
> > > > *you* passed the test? I personally think the
> > test is difficult enough
> > as
> > > > it is. Am I a wimp because of that? Do we need
> > to dump some dirt on
> > the
> > > > top of Everest now that it's been conquered by
> > someone else ahead of me?
> > > >
> > > > If Cisco wants to make the test "tougher,"
> > they're well within their
> > > rights
> > > > to do so. I just hope they don't call it the
> > "CCIE" - call it something
> > > > different, and reset the numbers to zero (or
> > 1025, whichever).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Louie Belt
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:33 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab?
> > [7:6735]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would
> > want the lab to be
> > > tougher.
> > > > A number of study aids are now available that
> > were not in the past.
> > This
> > > > has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the
> > process (as witnessed by the
> > > > backlog of people taking the lab after breezing
> > through the written).
> > > > Making it tougher is just a method of
> > counterbalancing all of the
> > > increased
> > > > study aids and maintaining the value of the CCIE
> > cert.
> > > >
> > > > If you truly want to obtain your CCIE then you
> > should want it to be as
> > > > difficult as possible, otherwise where is the
> > value in the cert? If you
> > > are
> > > > not up to the challenge, then don't make the
> > attempt.
> > > >
> > > > As for who should evaluate the CCIE program -
> > most (not all)employers
> > > > couldn't begin to answer the questions about
> > what is needed from a CCIE.
> > > > The biggest employer of CCIE's is Cisco (by far)
> > so they should already
> > > have
> > > > an idea of what is needed. Cisco has been
> > respectful enough of the CCIE
> > > > population to also ask for their input and most
> > have given it willingly.
> > > >
> > > > My main interested is in preserving the value of
> > the CCIE cert. I am
> > > > currently studying for my 2nd CCIE cert and
> > still hope they make it
> > > tougher
> > > > (before I complete it). I also hope they make
> > the recertification tests
> > > > tougher as well.
> > > >
> > > > I'm up to the challenge - are you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Louie
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > > Bradley J. Wilson
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:11 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab?
> > [7:6735]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Forgive my cynicism, but any CCIE *would* want
> > the lab to be tougher -
> > > they
> > > > would know that any CCIEs that came along after
> > they received their
> > number
> > > > increase the supply, thus lowering the cost of
> > the good. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I think Cisco ought to be asking companies who
> > *hire* CCIEs what skills
> > > > *they* would like to see in those who carry the
> > CCIE certification - not
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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