That's a good point, however, if you setup traffic shaping with 0 as the min
rate and any speed as your max rate (make it 128 or 258 or 1.544 if you
want), when there IS congestion in the cloud, this would at least allow the
router to scale back the output so that there may not have to be as many
Layer 3 retransmits (and more congestion)......

Either way.......... 0 CIR is scary =)

"Doug Lockwood"  wrote in message
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> Bruce;
>
> Your Idea is as good as any.
> The idea is to drop back to your CIR in times of congestion to avoid
> dropping frames (and incurring re-transmits)
> however, with 0 cir, there is no logical point to set it.
> Set it lower and hope you drop less frames.
>
> Personally, on a zero cir net, I would bag the traffic shaping and blast
> away.
>
> HTH
>
> Doug




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