These guys are CCIE certified. I checked with cisco.
Wait a minute, I didn't say that these guys have to configure a Tacacs
Server. Tacacs Server is already configured. They just have to restart
it and add new users. I don't think it is too much to ask for CCIEs to
learn the basic skills set of Unix. It seems CCIEs know how to use
Microsoft Windows? Why not Unix? Didn't these guys ever attend
college? As far as I am concerns that's where most people learn their
Unix skills
>From: "David Wolsefer" >To: "'Sean Young'" >CC: >Subject: RE: what's
wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:37:35 -0700 >
>While I agree that a lot of engineers could use more Unix skills (myself
>included), the CCIE in routing and switching does not test skills for
>running Unix TACACs servers. The CCIE in ISP-DIAL, however, is a
different >matter entirely since the ISP-Dial CCIE tests the ability to
configure Cisco >Secure under Windows NT and Solaris. Many R&S CCIEs are
not from a carrier >background, but many are. When I worked at a major
carrier, I never had to >configure the Tacacs server. There was a
seperate team for that. I did, >however, frequently configure Tacacs+ on
routers and switches. I have yet to >have a single customer request to
tunnel X-application through Secure Shell >(SSH). A CCIE is not an all
knowing being. All that you can really infer >from a person's CCIE status
is that he/she knows routing and switching >reasonably well on the 3600s,
2600s, 2500, Cat 5000s etc. I do think that >even though a CCIE (R&S)
might not know how to configure a Tacacs server off >the top of their
head, they should have the skills to research the >appropriate
documentation, get help from TAC, and configure things given a
>reasonable amount of time. I would also like to point out that there are
>many people out there calling themselves CCIEs these days. Did you
verify >with Cisco that these people are really CCIEs? Why didn't you ask
these >people about their Tacacs knowledge before you hired them if this
was >important to you? Finally, this post is off topic. Why is it even
posted to >a Cisco certification mailing list without "OFF TOPIC" in the
subject. > >Regards, > >David Wolsefer, CCIE #5858 > >-----Original
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Sean Young >Sent: Friday,
July 20, 2001 4:15 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: what's wrong
with CCIE today? [7:13151] > > >What's wrong with CCIEs today? I know
that I am making a general >assumptions; however,this is the second time
that it has happend to the >company that I work for. We have several
tacacs servers that use to >authenticate users. These tacacs servers are
running on a combination of >Linux and Solaris platforms. While I was
away at the Networker >Conference, one of our tacacs servers (solaris)
die due to hardware >failure and the amazingly the tacacs process on the
Linux die. Because >of this, everyone has to login to the routers and
switches via local >account. We hire these CCIEs to maintain the network
while I am away for >a few weeks. None of these CCIEs have any background
with tacacs servers >running on Unix platforms. As to our problems, the
simple to do is just >to restart the tacacs process byfirst: "killall
tac_plus" and second >"/usr/sbin/tac_plus -C /etc/tacacs/tac_plus.cfg"
but these CCIEs guys >have absolutely no clues. Furthermore, they don't
even know how to use >editing in Unix (i.e vi or emacs) and ended up
screwing up my tacacs >configuration files. We have a few employees that
need tacacs account >but these CCIEs guys have no clues how to addnew
users to a configuration >file which if anyone has done tacacs on the
unix platform know that you >just modify the configuration file
tac_plus.conf and restart tacacs >process. These CCIE guys say that they
come from a windows environment >so they don't have too much with Unix
platforms. I also notice that a >lot of CCIEs these days lack the Unix
skills that are required for the >Service Providers environment. Most
don't even know how to tunnel >X-application through Secure Shell (SSH).
I still remember those days >when Cisco Engineers are very well verse in
both unix and routers >skills. I long for those days again. Comments
anyone? >
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