Brian

Thanks for the response :)

supposingly i do a trace from my router to 202.4.185.101
and it shows the following results :

Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to 202.4.185.101

  1 202.161.130.18 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
  2 12.125.92.37 [AS 7018] 56 msec 52 msec 60 msec
  3 12.123.195.18 [AS 7018] 100 msec 100 msec 100 msec
  4 gbr6-p30.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.162) [AS 7018] 52 msec 48 msec 48
msec
  5 12.122.11.65 [AS 7018] 56 msec 52 msec 52 msec
  6 12.122.11.218 [AS 7018] 48 msec 48 msec 48 msec
  7 above-att-2.sjc2.above.net (208.184.232.153) [AS 6461] 56 msec 60 msec
60 msec
  8 ord2-sjc2-oc48.ord2.above.net (208.184.233.46) [AS 6461] 136 msec 136
msec 132 msec
  9 lga1-ord2-oc48-2.lga1.above.net (208.185.156.158) [AS 6461] 156 msec 156
msec 156 msec
 10 lhr3-lga1-stm64.lhr3.above.net (64.125.31.181) [AS 6461] 268 msec 268
msec 264 msec
 11 core2-lhr3-stm16.lhr1.above.net (208.185.156.1) [AS 6461] 260 msec 260
msec 260 msec
 12 nss-above.lhr.above.net (208.185.188.34) [AS 6461] 260 msec 260 msec 260
msec
 13 63-109-249-230.newskies.net (63.109.249.230) [AS 17175] 268 msec 268
msec 268 msec
 14 63.100.208.26 [AS 17175] 764 msec 760 msec 764 msec

however,when i do a ping with EXTENDED COMMANDS turn on (not extended
menu,my apologies)
this is the results

kap-cdr-03>ping
Protocol [ip]:
Target IP address: 202.1 4.185.101
Repeat count [5]:
Datagram size [100]:
Timeout in seconds [2]: 1
Extended commands [n]: y
Source address or interface: 202.161.130.25 49
Type of service [0]:
Set DF bit in IP header? [no]:
Validate reply data? [no]: y
Data pattern [0xABCD]:
Loose, Strict, Record, Timestamp, Verbose[none]: rec
Number of hops [ 9 ]:
Loose, Strict, Record, Timestamp, Verbose[RV]:
Sweep range of sizes [n]:
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 202.4.185.101, timeout is 1 seconds:
Packet has IP options:  Total option bytes= 39, padded length=40
 Record route: 
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)
   (0.0.0.0)

Request 0 timed out
Reply to request 1 (924 ms).  Received packet has options
 Total option bytes= 40, padded length=40
 Record route:
   (202.161.130.22)
   (12.125.92.38)
   (12.123.195.17)
   gar3-p370.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.161)
   gbr6-p100.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.78)
   (12.122.11.217)
   att-above-2.sjc2.above.net (208.184.232.154)
   sjc2-ord2-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.233.45)
   core2-loop.ord2.above.net (209.249.254.58)
   
 End of list

Reply to request 2 (796 ms).  Received packet has options
 Total option bytes= 40, padded length=40
 Record route:
   (202.161.130.22)
   (12.125.92.38)
   (12.123.195.6)
   gar1-p360.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.57)
   (12.122.11.66)
   (12.122.11.217)
   att-above-2.sjc2.above.net (208.184.232.154)
   sjc2-ord2-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.233.45)
   core2-loop.ord2.above.net (209.249.254.58)
   
 End of list

Reply to request 3 (772 ms).  Received packet has options
 Total option bytes= 40, padded length=40
 Record route:
   (202.161.130.22)
   (12.125.92.38)
   (12.123.195.9)
   gar3-p370.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.161)
   gbr6-p100.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.78)
   (12.122.11.217)
   att-above-2.sjc2.above.net (208.184.232.154)
   sjc2-ord2-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.233.45)
   core2-loop.ord2.above.net (209.249.254.58)
   
 End of list

Reply to request 4 (768 ms).  Received packet has options
 Total option bytes= 40, padded length=40
 Record route:
   (202.161.130.22)
   (12.125.92.38)
   (12.123.195.6)
   gar1-p360.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.57)
   (12.122.11.66)
   (12.122.11.217)
   att-above-2.sjc2.above.net (208.184.232.154)
   sjc2-ord2-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.233.45)
   core2-loop.ord2.above.net (209.249.254.58)
   
 End of list

Success rate is 80 percent (4/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 768/815/924 ms

so now u see what i mean....

with trace it hit
63.100.208.26 [AS 17175] 764 msec 760 msec 764 msec

with ping (extended command turn on)
it hit
core2-loop.ord2.above.net (209.249.254.58)

even though i am trace and pinging to the same address which is
202.4.185.101,it seems that trace seems to provide a more information than
ping with the extended menu turn on

hope i have explained myself clearly :)

thanks

Rgds
birdy




""Brian""  wrote in message
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> I think u need to elaborate a little.  Non extended ping just sends 5
> packets to the host and spits results.  Extended ping lets you manipulate
> many facets of the test.
>
>     Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "birdy"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:57 PM
> Subject: ping and trace [7:17802]
>
>
> > Dear All
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what is the difference doing a trace and a ping with
> the
> > extended menu turn on ?
> >
> > Regards
> > birdy




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