I was going to say. Microsoft was around in 1980, but without any
certification program. I still remember the day Microsoft had its' IPO and
I lost my only hope for hitting the stock lottery.
--
"Through Complexity there is Simplicity,
Through Simplicity there is Complexity"
David L. Blair - CCNP, CCNA, MCSE, CBE, A+, 3Wizard
""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message
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> Ooops. No offence meant to the Microsoft Certified Professionals! ;-) I
> guess I'm showing my age. In my day, MCP meant male chauvinist pig. It's
> such a rude phrase that I abbreviate it. But it does apply, so I still use
> it (just abbreviated.)
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 02:10 PM 9/5/01, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >When I started in the industry in 1980, I would say that about 5% of the
> >men I encountered were MCPs. I expected that to change, but it didn't. In
> >2001, I would say that still about 5% of the men I work with are MCPs.
They
> >are prejudiced against women. The word comes from pre and judge. They pre
> >judge me and make assumptions that I'm not technical. Proving them wrong
> >doesn't work in some cases. Some of them continue to judge me based on
body
> >parts rather than technical skills, and they don't listen to me. If they
> >don't listen, I can't prove them wrong. Oh, well. These days I just
ignore
> >the MCPs and move on. ;-)
> >
> >At least it's only 5%. In the 1950s it would have been much worse, and it
> >sounds like it's still worse in some parts of the world. I think it will
> >change, at least to the point that the MCPs are a very small majority.
> >(Five percent may be a constant. ;-)
> >
> >Certifications are definitely a good way to avoid some of the
pre-judging.
> >Go for it, Eve! Good luck to you.
> >
> >Priscilla
> >
> >
> >At 12:35 PM 9/5/01, Steve Smith wrote:
> > >Well Eve, the glass ceiling and where a woman's place stigma is very
> > >prevalent in big established companies. I have female friends that work
> > >in the "corporate IT world" and no matter where they go it's all the
> > >same. Some not as bad as others but the old dogs from the IBM error
just
> > >can except that a woman can do networking just as good if not better
> > >then a lot of men. One of them even told her they could not promote her
> > >because it would mean dealing with a lot of Japanese and Chinese
> > >clients, and in business that dog will not hunt with these groups so
> > >they would have to promote a man.
> > >
> > >In the integrator and ASP/ISP/.com world I have found women are greatly
> > >appreciated. We hired a female engineer and she fit like a glove. Every
> > >single guy from the help desk to the CEO has the utmost respect for her
> > >and is never shy to go to her and ask a Q if they think she may know.
> > >
> > >Take your test, know your stuff, show your worth.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: jap_e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:54 AM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> > >
> > >
> > >Good question. I'm still trying to find out why.
> > >
> > >Perhaps I'm just sick & tired of my colleagues looking down upon my
> > >capabilities (being a female in this industry tends to be belittled by
> > >others,
> > >you see, esp in my part of the world.) Even the examination centers
> > >officers
> > >are puzzled to see me taking Cisco exams, when they would expect only
> > >guys to
> > >do such things.
> > >
> > >I'm being treated like a female clerk at the system integrator firm
> > >where I
> > >worked, being excluded out of all technical discussions because the
guys
> > >just
> > >think "gee what do YOU know about this router/switch/firewall thing??"
> > >(For
> > >your reference, I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering, degree in
> > >Commerce, MCSE, etc etc). Is sexual discrimation prevalent everywhere
> > >in
> > >this
> > >IT industry, or just at my place?
> > >
> > >Guess I took my CCNP simply out of pride, just to show that "whatever
> > >you
> > >guys
> > >can do, I can do too."
> > >
> > >And perhaps, out of pride too, I will take my CCIE.
> > >
> > >Regards, Eve
> > >
> >
> >
> >________________________
> >
> >Priscilla Oppenheimer
> >http://www.priscilla.com
> ________________________
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> http://www.priscilla.com
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