Look, if somebody asks the question, I will provide the answer.  Check back
on my history, if you feel - you will see that I never start talking about
this subject unless somebody asks for information.  Somebody starts
something that is already OT, then I will take the argument to its logical
conclusion.

Yet I don't see anybody getting on the case of the person who originally
started the thread.  If everybody here does not like me going off on
Juniper, then why not set a new rule for the mailing list - nobody here is
allowed to ask questions about Juniper? .  Then I'll follow a policy of
Don't Ask, Don't Tell.  That's cool with me.

But the fact that if somebody's asking means that somebody wants to know.
That's the way I see it.






""[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)""  wrote in
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> On Mar 19,  5:22am, "nrf" wrote:
> }
> } [snip argument we've heard umpteen times]
>
>      I won't argue with the basic premise of your argument, since it is
> sound as far as it goes.  However you are looking at just the picture
> at this moment, i.e. a static image.  That isn't very interesting, it
> is much more interesting to consider what is going to happen over the
> long term, i.e. it is time to move onto Econ 201 and do some trend
> analysis.  I won't claim to be able to predict the future, so these are
> just my opinions based on what I have seen.
>
>      Juniper only plays in a niche market, so there is limited demand
> for their products.  Cisco plays in a broad market, so there is much
> greater demand for their products.  Further more, Cisco is starting to
> make products that compete head to head with Juniper's products and are
> starting to eat into Juniper's market.  Unless Juniper makes some big
> changes, they could be in trouble.  I don't know what will happen in
> the long run, but I do know that it won't happen today.
>
>      The economy will get better.  People will start building up
> networks that have stalled (heck, I've just been given the opportunity
> to build a small "enterprise" network from scratch).  When that
> happens, people will be buying lots of Cisco products as well as some
> Juniper products.  However, Juniper will still be a niche product with
> a very small market, which means that the Cisco market will grow much
> more rapidly.  Therefore, I feel that in the long run, Cisco is a much
> safer bet.  Sure, JNCIEs may make more, but unless Juniper makes some
> serious changes, there will always be very limited demand for them.
> Once the market is saturated, that's it.  It doesn't matter how much
> JNCIEs make, if there are no jobs available.
>
>      I think the bottom line is this.  Everybody has heard the
> arguments, especially many repeats of yours.  Everybody will make up
> their own mind based on the information they have.  This is a Cisco
> study list, not a Juniper advocacy list, which means that your
> continued evangelising of Juniper is grossly off topic and isn't
> particularly welcome, so GET LOST!!!
>
> }-- End of excerpt from "nrf"




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