Carrol,. I agree with you that some would learn slower or not at all, but I think you are incorrect on your devaluation of respect. It's easy to say that medicine tastes bad but is necessary. But I propose to the group that the damage is more than the help. There are many lurkers that would surely participate more and in turn learn more through being active rather than just lurking if indeed they could trust that they would not be humiliated if one of their questions was not up to par. So, although a demeaning message may be given to one of the few deserving participants, it will cause many participants not to grow as fast as they would if they were actively conversing. I really don't think you're argument holds water because of that. Besides the same finite resource you refer to are wasted with the rant as with the question. If the resources are the reason for the rant, then the rant is self defeating.
Larry Puckette Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP Temple Inland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512/434-1838 -----Original Message----- From: Carroll Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:22 PM To: Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Salary Expectations/CCNP's!!!!!!!!! [7:25805] All Dennis seemed to be saying is that people should at least try to put some effort into doing some of their own research. Sorry, Sal, but I feel that one should really try to look up ALL of the answers on their own first before consulting the list. Why do I take such a hard approach on this? I think Dennis hit it right on the head. As a big fan of open source software, I can tell you, their mailing lists are quite brutal when it comes to people not doing any homework on their own. Very few individuals are willing to refeed the same answers and same commands that the helpee did not understand or remember since he was spoon fed the answer. They are not doing it because of a pure superiority complex, they do it because a) Resources are finite, you are wasting everyone's resources because of one's laziness (bandwidth and time) b) You are hurting the individual who is receiving help. Ever get stumped in an engineering class in college and just "look at the answer" and say "oh that is so easy now." Then when you take the exam, you bomb. This is the common syndrome and helping others blindly is just propagating it. I did not follow the original parts of the thread, and omitted some sections for clarity. So, maybe someone was really mean in responding, fine that is not good and not nice. However, the overall point is the same and the thing is, if someone does not say something about it, no one will ever know about this syndrome and end up failing time and time again or slowly advancing when they could have quickly advanced. Ok, so the medicine did not have candy coating on it. Intentions were still good. By the way, I have seen Priscilla and Howard at times ask individuals to do a bit more work on their own, or ask back questions to help them think. That is far more effective than spewing out answers like a candy machine. Perhaps whoever did the mean comments should have been nicer or just not said anything. However, looking at the bright side, I think the message was still positive, just not candy coated. At 02:10 PM 11/16/01 -0500, Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) wrote: >Again, I can't resist either. No matter how many times the issue comes up, >those that have the superiority complexes can't seem to hear the message. >The length of that lecture is a perfect example. I don't think anybody that >has the initiative to get into networking is looking for an endless supply >of free fish, rather I believe that finding this list is in itself is >showing a desire to learn to fish. Some just have to ask what a hook and >bait, or line is and how they work. I agree totally that some of those that >have been here awhile show the need to demean others to feel knowledgeable >and important. I suggest that if it bothers you to answer rookie questions, >don't bother with the lecture either. I'm sure some one else will be glad to >help a beginner without belittling them. I mean, look at Priscilla as an >example. She is about as much of an old pro at this stuff as there can be, >but she either doesn't answer or she shows respect when she does. There are >many others too, Howard comes to mind... try to show some class and follow >their examples. > >Larry Puckette >Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP >Temple Inland >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >512/434-1838 > > -----Original Message----- >From: Sal DiStefano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:46 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Salary Expectations/CCNP's!!!!!!!!! [7:25805] > >I have no problem with what your saying here. I just >have a problem with the sarcasm and derogatory was you >do it, thats all!! >--- Dennis wrote: > > What are you going to do when your company network > > is down and the CEO is > > breathing down your neck asking when is it going to > > be fixed? I guess > > you'll tell him "we'll I asked a question in the > > newsgroup and nobody told > > me what to do yet." That's a quick way to be shown > > the door. > > > > I stand by my assertion that the best way to advance > > one's career in > > networking is to develop the ability to look up > > problems and solutions on > > ones own. When stumped on a problem, ask the > > group... not ask the group > > first. > > > > I say again if you want to teach people that the way > > to resolve a problem is > > to blindly ask other people for solutions without > > trying to research and > > resolve on ones own, that's up to you but you're not > > doing them a favor and > > you'll diminish their abilities and career potential > > by doing that. > > > > Give a man a fish and he eats for a day... teach a > > man to fish and he eats > > for a lifetime... > > -- > > > > -=Repy to group only... no personal=- > > > > ""Sal DiStefano"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I have been following this without saying > > anything, > > > but I cant resist any longer. > > > > > > Are you saying that people should look up all > > their > > > own answers? If that is the case, why have this > > board? > > > Just so mean spirited people like those who > > answered > > > this guy with useless answers can pounce on the > > newbie > > > who asks what you consider a question which is not > > > worthy? > > > I think one of the great things about a group > > like > > > this is I don't need to look up everything myself, > > I > > > can rely on the knowledge and experience of > > others, > > > and hopefully bring my experiences to some use > > here > > > for others. -Carroll Kong Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26551&t=25805 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
