Obviously a high-bandwidth application. :)  What are you installing, a bunch
of ATMs or something?

I'm assuming that the remote routers will be pretty low-end - 2500/2600 at
most.

Of the three options, I'd say if you have to do this, EIGRP would probably
be the best option.  Make sure you design your address space such that you
can take advantage of auto summarization in EIGRP.

With OSPF, the Design Guide on CCO is purposely vague, but I've heard
various Cisco people say you generally want to avoid more than 4-5 areas per
router.  Assuming that the "core" of the network also includes "other
stuff" - meaning, these hub routers will connect to other backbone routers,
that leaves us with four OSPF areas for these remote sites with each area
having ~100 routers which seems a bit excessive (especially considering the
supposed low-end routers on the remote side).

How would you do BGP?  I'm assuming that each remote site is only connected
to the hub routers, so would you do a separate BGP AS per remote?  If I'm
understanding this right, it would be (at best) an administrative challenge
at the hub side, manually configuring all of those remote-AS commands.  I
don't know what the practical limit is on the number of remote AS
connections a single router can support.

Bottom line, I don't think I'd want to build a new network with this
configuration.  I'd probably dial-back the horsepower on the hub routers and
add a middle (distribution) layer to aggregate the remotes.  Given the
apparent bandwidth requirements, I'd say that a 3600-series router at the
distribution-layer would be sufficient.  Connect each remote to two
distribution routers and then aggregate all of the distribution routers to
the two hub/core routers - say 7200-series.  I would recommend that you add
to the number of head-end T1's so you can reduce the number of sites per
circuit - say no more than 50 per ckt (still a bit high for my tastes but
probably workable).  If you went with 3620's you probably wouldn't want to
have more than one head-end ckt. per distribution router.  If you're not
interested in having that many distribution routers then you'll need to
bump-up the horsepower and we're back to the "how many EIGRP neighbors per
router" question.

Well, I've blathered too long.  Hope this helps.

Ben


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Robertson, Douglas
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: EIGRP neighbor limitations [7:32058]


This is actually for a practical issue, I have a customer that wants to
implement +-400 remote sites connected with redundancy to two core routers.
Each router will have three T1's and the 400 sites will be split between the
three T1's. This still brings the EIGRP to +-133 EIGRP neighbors per
interface and 400 neighbors per router. The customer wants to run EIGRP. I
am asking this question to determine if this will be an issue and to find
documentation to back this up. The alternative would be to run OSPF or BGP
but I need backup info to get the customer to change.

Thanks Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EIGRP neighbor limitations [7:32058]


I don't know about a hard limit but me thinks you'll hit the practical
limit first anyway:)  Is this an acedemic question???

  Dave

"Robertson, Douglas" wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of limitation in the amount of EIGRP neighbors on a
router.
> If there is,  is this a limitation per physical interface or a limitation
> per router. I found a document on CCO a couple of months ago that
mentioned
> these limits but I have now searched and searched but cannot find that
> document again.
>
> Appreciate any input
>
> D. Robertson
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