I don't think this is entirely true, but it might depend on the software
release.  We're using 12.2(3) and you definitely have to turn on FRF to
get the dual FIFO queue; FRTS alone doesn't do it.  We have several
routers using FRTS with no fragmentation and they only have a single
FIFO queue.  When I did some testing with this, adding FRF created the
dual FIFO queue but then our voice calls sounded worse, even though we
weren't actually fragmenting packets!

Weird.  Oh well, we've canned our VoIP project anyway.  At the moment
it just isn't feasible, and no, it doesn't have a feasible successor,
either.  :-)

John

>>> "Steven A. Ridder"  1/28/02 2:20:01 PM
>>>
Fragmenting above a serialization problematic size doesn't create the
dual-FIFO queue as certain CCO pages say.  It's the frame-relay
traffic-shaping command that does.
""Steven A. Ridder""  wrote in message
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> It seems way off.  You don't frag a packet above the MTU.  As for
the
subnet
> mask as an IP, I can't imagine the router taking it.  Why can't he
put the
> real IP in there?  It's been a while since I've seen a customer do
FRF.11
C,
> though.  I'd do his config right and also add the map classes to
both
> routers.  Furthermore, unless he has about 60 or so calls going
across,
I'd
> reduce the reserved BW from 720K to a more reasonable number.
>
>
> ""Erich Kuehn""  wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I have a customer that we provide frame-relay service to. He is
trying
to
> do
> > VoIP over Frame-Relay, while I have quite a bit of experience with
IP
and
> > Frame-Relay, once you put voice into it I get lost.
> >
> > His problem is that if his circuit goes down at location A, Once
Loc B
> comes
> > back up (to my frame-relay switch) Loc A will not come back up. The
only
> way
> > to force Loc A back up is to shut the interface on the frame-switch
to
> which
> > Loc A connect and then open it back up. Strange I know. He is
running
> > similar routers at both locations (3660's on 12.2xt code) and the
config
> are
> > nearly identical. With exception
> >
> > At Loc B under the serial subinterface he has
> >
> > frame-relay inte.5 255.255.255.252
> >
> > Never seen this can anyone explain???
> >
> > He also has this in his config at both Loc A and B
> >
> > Map-class Frame-relay VoIP_FR
> >  frame-relay fragment 1600
> >  frame-relay ip rtp priotity 16384 16383 720
> >  no frame-relay adaptive-shaping
> >  frame-relay fair-queue
> >
> > At Loc A he makes reference to the map-class under the serial subif
at
Loc
> B
> > he does not.
> >
> > Anyone with some input??
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Erich Kuehn
> > Network Engineer
> > Backbone Communications




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