Greg, Based on my own experience, having owned a consulting firm for 10 years, specializing in Law Office automation, nothing in the legal profession happens "promptly," especially their paying for services rendered. :)
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco ATC/Regional Networking Academy Greg Macaulay wrote: I respectfully must enter my dissent regarding "every lawyer passes the Bar Exam." Actually, each state has different "pass rates" and even individual law schools monitor their graduates "pass rates," both for "bragging rights" as well as a recruitment tool. Moreover, "passing the Bar Exam" has often little to do with the knowledge gained in law school. It DOES have a relationship to learning how to think and analyze -- but not specific knowledge. There are sometimes stories (perhaps "tales") about legal secretaries who took a Bar Review course -- without attending law school -- and "passed" the Bar Exam -- but while not implausible -- I don't have personal knowledge of such a feat! In any event, it would seem that "networking" requires a certain "mindset" accompanied by "logical thinking" (You can't go to step 4 without going through steps 1, 2, and 3). The CCIE lab exam IMHO can be successfully accomplished with enough practice with the IOS and a reasonable understanding of routing theory. However, that being said, without more, even the coveted CCIE is not a guarantee that the holder of the certification is an accomplished internetworking "EXPERT"!!! It merely suggests that the holder of the certification (1) has some fundamental knowledge of theory and practice of networking, and (2) has through discipline and determination successfully undertaken a course of studies in networking. While, I understand the "flames of wrath" will be forthcoming, I would suggest to everyone that the CCIE is merely an apprentice certification -- akin to an intern or resident just out of medical school. Certainly the CCIE holder has a great deal of potential, and based on their success in their studies will be a good candidate for a company to rely on. But absent the knowledge attained by experience in the field to supplement the certification, it is -- by itself -- just an entry ticket into a profession. When I graduated law school and passed the Bar Exam (back during the American Civil War) the rules of my profession permitted me to hand out my business card to any survivors of a plane crash in my back yard. But "permission" is not the same as "competency." Surely, if I had attempted to represent someone in such a situation, I would have been promptly disbarred for incompetency. Similarly, a newly minted CCIE should not seek to undertake major networking tasks without a mentor or someone else to guide them in their initial post-CCIE days. In other words, being a CCIE -- without more -- does not make someone "competent" in all aspects of networking! Caveat: This, of course, is only MHO!!! Take care, Greg Macaulay Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth Lifetime AARP member Retired Attorney/Law Professor Greg Macaulay Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth (57 on 1/15/02) Lifetime AARP member Retired Attorney/Law Professor -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: Number of people passing CCIE [7:35341] Vaguely fitting this thread, I was once giving a protocols seminar at NASA's Kennedy Space Center. During one of my breaks, I eavesdropped at one of the classrooms, where a frustrated lecturer on the Space Shuttle burst out, "this is rocket science, it isn't BGP!" >Hmm... That actually sounds like an LSAT question; Every lawyer passes the >bar exam and every CCIE passes the CCIE lab! > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Jason Graun >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:58 PM >To: 'Michael C. Popovich'; 'McCallum, Robert'; ''Ccielab' (E-mail)' >Subject: RE: Number of people passing CCIE > > >I totally agree. People compare the CCIE lab exam to the Bar Exam but >very lawyer passes the bar exam. Only the cream-of-the-crop pass the >CCIE exam. > >Jason C. Graun CCNP CCDA MCSE >Network Engineering > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >Michael C. Popovich >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:51 PM >To: McCallum, Robert; 'Ccielab' (E-mail) >Subject: RE: Number of people passing CCIE > >I would say that average is not consistent for an entire month or year. >I would rather be doing this than competing at being a lawyer. :):) > >MP > >-----Original Message----- >From: McCallum, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:01 PM >To: 'Ccielab' (E-mail) >Subject: Number of people passing CCIE > >I see that, from Saturday, that judging by Chucks number there has been >21 people pass since I got my number. That's an average of 7 per day. >That's a lot, NO? > >Robert McCallum CCIE #8757 > >"You can swim all day in the Sea of Knowledge and >still come out completely dry. 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