Now they use TCP/IP for the most part and run Cisco routers. --
RFC 1149 Compliant. Get in my head: http://sar.dynu.com ""William Gragido"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Yes, thats true, we ran Banyon Vines, the USMC that is in addition to > various Unix variants. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Priscilla Oppenheimer > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] > > > And I've heard that the US side in Desert Storm used Banyan for their > networking systems, not TCP/IP!? > > Priscilla > > At 12:05 PM 3/28/02, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > > >Thats what the DoD taught in their DataCommunications Schools. Sorry > Dom. > > > >Absolutely, positively wrong, though. That's an urban legend that has > >been disavowed by every early developer I can think of, including the > >DARPA people. It developed out of pure DARPA sponsored research in > >networking. > > > >I'm hard-pressed to think of any nuclear command & control > >communications system, before the mid-80's or so, that used TCP/IP, > >and at one time I knew pretty much every system that was deployed. > >Among the ones I can talk about, they were circuit-switched or radio. > >Some of the circuit-switched networks were computer controlled, > >including AUTODIN I and a variety of intelligent networks. > > > >Without detailed research, I'd tend to say the first military TCP/IP > >applications were in tactical, not strategic, nets. > > > >Actually, the first demonstration that packet switched networks were > >resilient to massive attack came from the Iraqi air defense system in > >Desert Storm. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > >Chuck > > >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:00 AM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] > > > > > > > > >the real reason being.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > >> Sorry, the > > >> > > >> "be resilient to Global Thermal Nuclear attacks" > > >> > > >> is a myth. > > >> > > >> Dom Stocqueler > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> "William > > >> Gragido" To: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD > > >> [7:39657] > > >> Sent > > >> by: > > >> > > >> nobody@groups > > >> > > >> tudy.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> 27/03/2002 > > >> > > >> 20:17 > > >> > > >> Please > > >> respond > > >> to > > >> > > >> "William > > >> > > >> Gragido" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The DoD adopted TCP/IP as its native protocol for communications in > 1983. > > >> DARPA lead the charge for a communications system that would be > resilient > > >> to > > >> Global Thermal Nuclear attacks (therein allowing for continued, > > >> uninterrupted comm), and would allow for common connectivity of > > >> multi-vendor > > >> solutions. This of course did yield 'ARPA NET' which, by a decision > of > > >the > > >> DCA (Defense Communications Agency), in 1983 was split in two yielding > a > > >> smaller version of 'ARPA NET' and 'MILNET'. The evolution of the > modern > > >> internet can followed done the line from 'ARPA NET' and as we all know > by > > >> virtue of adding new networks to the mix, 'ARPA NET' was de-regulated > in > > >> 1991 ushering the age of the modern internet. > > >> > > >> Hope that helps, > > >> > > >> Will Gragido > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > >> Michael Williams > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:37 PM > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] > > >> > > >> > > >> It's kinda fuzzy. I myself just got through doing a tech review of a > >book > > >> covering this topic as well as have written my own "materials" for > > >> training, > > >> etc covering this topic. IMHO, DoD is credited with "creating the > > >> internet" > > >> even though at the time it wasn't called the internet and didn't use > the > > >> same protocols we do now. Although the DoD started the whole mess, > from > > >> what I've read DoD commisioned ARPANET to research this. I'm sure > that > > >> peoples are various universities and colleges were in on the actual > > >> deveopment evidenced by the fact that in 1971 there were 15 nodes > (with a > > >> total of 23 hosts), namely UCLA, SRI, UCSB, U of Utah, BBN, MIT, RAND, > > >SDC, > > >> Harvard, Lincoln Lab, Stanford, UIU(C), CWRU, CMU, and NASA/Ames. > Note > > >> most > > >> of those listed are colleges/universities. I've read some about BBN, > > >> however > > >> it seems to me their main role was to supply the first "computers" > > >> (Honeywell 516 mini computers with 12K of memory) that acted as > > >Information > > >> Message Processors (IMPs) (routers?). > > >> > > >> However, I would humbly suggest that Howard B. or Priscilla O. throw > >their > > >> 2 > > >> cents in here. > > >> > > >> Also, since your doing a technical edit, be careful of the words you > > >choose > > >> as well. For example you use the word "written" over and over above, > but > > >I > > >> don't think the conversation is really about "which programmers > actually > > >> wrote the code" it's more about "who either spearheaded or caused the > > >> evolution of the *standards* we call TCP/IP" in which case I don't > think > > >> crediting the DoD is incorrect. > > >> > > >> My 2 cents =) > > >> Mike W. > ________________________ > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=39838&t=39657 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
