At 10:51 AM -0400 5/14/02, Chuck wrote:
>interesting discussion.
>
>a couple of thoughts of minor value.
>
>1) one way to determine whether or not (E)IGRP is a distance vector or not
>is to consider that (E)IGRP has a definite diameter limit that is
>changeable. Several months ago there was a discussion on this board about
>just that. If you have an (E)IGRP network with a diameter of, say, 25, and
>you use the appropriate option to change the max distance to 23, some of
>your routers and routes will disappear. Even though the routing table shows
>(E)IGRP routes with some incomprehensible number in the metric column, the
>fact is that the protocols are limited by hops

That's not an essential part of DV, merely a practical sanity check. 
It is, of course, essential in RIP because RIP uses hop count as an 
interface cost in building its metric.

>
>2) as an aside, I suppose it could be argued that all protocols are limited
>by the IP TTL, but distance vector protocols all have built in limits to
>their diameters. the link state protocols appear to have no such limits,
>other than the structural one imposed by IP itself.
>
>3) I think I am understanding that the "link" in link state refers to
>something other than what I originally thought. Does "link" refer to the
>neighbor state, the physical wire being up, both, neither?

It's a somewhat unfortunate term, in that it doesn't precisely 
correspond to a concept in actual networking, but in graph theory. 
The Dijkstra algorithm builds a tree from an arbitrary root, and then 
grows "links" from there.  In reality, router nodes generally form 
vertices and subnets form arcs, but that's not completely clear-cut, 
and it's just as easy, from a theoretical standpoint, to assume 
Dijkstra uses its own arbitrary vertices and treats all types of 
"links" as potential arcs (i.e., if they are on the best path).

>
>once again, another great thread, clarifying a lot of things that I "already
>knew"
>
>Oh, one last thing - yes indeed, do not trust anything Cisco says on their
>web site. The configuration information is fine. the theoretical stuff is
>very often of questionable value. wish I could still find that link about
>the reasons for the diameter limitation of EIGRP. It was hilarious.
>
>Chuck




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