Could you elaborate on the "backbone engineering is at a level far more 
specialized and complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been 
formalized ways to learn it."

I would love to know more about what you actuall mean?

Thank you.

Regards.


>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" 
>Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714]
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:49:09 -0400
>
>I'm not saying to close the thread or not, although I think the
>moderators (I am one) are starting to block messages that come across
>as personal attacks.
>
>What I see is the fundamental misperception in this thread is an
>assumption there is a binary choice between experience and new
>training. I freely admit there are experienced people that have had 1
>year of experience 20 times.  But other experienced people have BOTH
>the experience and the in-depth protocol knowledge, which puts them
>in a position to learn even faster -- if they want to.
>
>Earlier in the thread, someone said "would you put something in
>production without lab testing?"  As with everything else in
>networking, "it depends."  A large ISP, for example, will test a new
>IOS release in a lab, but they can't possibly have a lab that will
>let them see the effects of the change on tens of thousands of
>routers.  This is true of router manufacturers as well.
>
>For very large networks, it may be possible to use true (i.e., Monte
>Carlo) simulation or mathematical analysis. But experience does have
>a major role in Internet backbone engineering.  Let me simply say
>that backbone engineering is at a level far more specialized and
>complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been formalized ways
>to learn it.
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