OK agreed that the CCNP has been made from topics pulled from CCIE. But when the CCNP already exists, to make a similar track to it, that is what doesn't make sense. I don't think the CCIP was necessary; it's only my humble opinion. What about switching? The knowledge that someone gained from the CCNA is good enough for CCIP candidates?
If the CCIP and CCIE were in place already, I would have said the same thing about CCNP. But it's the other way around. What's next, take the switching exam from the CCNP, add a few electives and make it another cert? How about troubleshooting CIT? And make it something else? Why not add IS-IS to the CCNA and call it CCIPA. I guess it is apparent that I am not a big fan of this mix-n-match stuff. Especially when it overlaps with an exam that is exactly the same material. This is just my opinion of the CCIP, I realize for some it may be valuable for one reason or another. Comparing the CCIE to the CCNP, yes I agree that the CCIE is harder then the CCNP in both the routing and switching part. There are just more topics in the CCNP and CCNA, and not covered in as much detail as the CCIE is. I wasn't really arguing that. -----Original Message----- From: Michael L. Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIP - who is doing this one? [7:45166] "Brian Zeitz" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > It's like they pulled a few > random topics from the CCIE (and CCNP) and made a cert out of it. I > don't think many people are buying it. I agree, but that wouldn't make the certification invalid as such. Take CCNP for example. Since CCIE was around first, couldn't it be said that "it looks like they took topics (routing, switch, remote access, troubleshooting) and made a cert out of it" (CCNP). And that would be a (mostly) true statement. But anyone who has done CCNP and at least the CCIE written can testify that the depth of knowledge of the CCIE can't touch any single CCNP exam. I mean, CCIE written required you to know OSPF/BGP/EIGRP but nowhere (IMHO) near the detail as the CCNP Routing exam. Especially the switching. The CCIE written should challenge anyone's switching knowledge that has passed the BCMSN exam...... Having said that, I think (although I'm not personally pursuing it) that the CCIP, with it's focus on MCAST, QoS, and MPLS, is going to be a much more detailed exam track similar to the way CCNP was compared to CCIE. I think the depth of knowledge on each subject will not be touched by that required for CCNP/CCIE (except the Routing CCNP exam, which as pointed out, is virtually identical to the CCNP routing exam except for IS-IS). I don't think the little bit of Multicast learned in CCNP switching (which is more than required for CCIE written, IMHO) would be adequate to pass the MCAST exam. Etc etc..... To summarize, I'm personally not going for CCIP, but I could see how employers in the right environment (i.e. using MPLS, Multicast, etc) might perfer someone with a deeper background in those topics as opposed to a CCNP or even a CCIE...... My 2 cents..... Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45451&t=45166 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
