Nahhh...it's that Priscilla is an alias for Dagny.
>Simple, the joke is that if you could run off all the candidates, then >the author of this email below will have a better chance at making the >kind of money that he's telling everyone else they won't make. > >You have to give him credit for creative thinking. If you can't >increase the demand, then try to decrease the supply. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:34 PM >To: bgrafals >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: WAKE UP CALL! You "only have a CCIE" and you want more than >50-60k - Better Read... Re: OT. Any guarantee that the CCIE > >Someone with time on their hands, please let me in on >the joke. > >-Bob >> Don't you mean "Miracle Metal" :-) >> >> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:04:13 -0700, "Joseph Ezerski" >> wrote : >> >> > All they all said Reardon Metal would never work..... >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf >Of >> > Darby Weaver >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:57 AM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: WAKE UP CALL! You "only have a CCIE" and you want more than >> > 50-60k - Better Read... Re: OT. Any guarantee that the CCIE >> > >> > >> > Well said... >> > >> > The fact of the matter is with many larger corporate ISPs going down >or >> > taking large hits and the sheer number of consolidations, it is >merely a >> > numbers game... >> > >> > Another fact is the sheer number of career-certified and Cisco >Academy >> > Graduates. >> > >> > The Cisco Academy had over 297,000 students enrolled a few months >ago and >> > more by now. >> > >> > Now when I was in high school and $3.25 was the minimum wage, things > >> weren't >> > quite so obvious. >> > >> > But with that many potential job hires - a simple fact comes to >mind: You >> > do not need a CCIE to get your 1600/1700/2500/2600 connected to the >> > Internet. Period. >> > >> > Now of there are 7-8,000+ Active CCIE's; 297,000 Cisco Academy >Graduates, >> X >> > thousand CCNA's, and X thousand CCNP's, then you will quickly >understand >> > that the demand has diminished. >> > >> > A lot of the old Microsoft, Novell, Unix Admins are moving over in >herds. >> > Yep, faster than you can wink your eyes. >> > >> > Remember, the education facilities told them they could make >70,000.00+ >> and >> > 500,000 - 1,000,000 moved over in just a couple of years or so it >seems. >> Oh >> > yes, and they had to pass 3-7 exams or so... >> > >> > Now they are being told they can earn a 6-digit salary if they can >spell >> > Cisco. And it seems they think it can be done with a few months >study >> and a >> > passing one test and one puny lab. >> > >> > Well - Wake up call - They can pass this test much like any other. >May >> take >> > them 7-10 tries or more, but guess what some spent 10k+ to earn half >of >> the >> > salary of a CCIE. So you better believe they are coming. In herds. >> > >> > Some of them will stay, but even if only 10% stay you are sill going >to >> have >> > 50,000-100,000+ new Cisco Certified Professionals. >> > >> > Good for Cisco, they sell product. Bad for Consultant or Partner - >We >> sell >> > time, and that value will be diminished with the sheer onslaught of >new >> > people who are "qualified" to work with Cisco Products. I mean they >did >> > just complete a 5-10 Day Bootcamp and have taken the Lab several >times. >> > >> > By our own admission, they are now "qualified" to work with the >product. >> > After all the same lab they paid for is the same one we've been >training >> > for, and some of for years. >> > >> > Now you may argue, that these wannabees may not be as qualified as >you >> are. >> > I mean you have years and years of experience. > > > >> > Yep. But you are a CCIE. >> > >> > Yep. So are they. >> > >> > And guess what to a simple employer, you are one and the same. Some >may >> > know the difference and may be willing to pay, but you better >believe it >> > will be at a lower rate than in the boom years. >> > >> > You want to differentiate yourself from the imposter. The fact is >you may >> > well be that imposter. >> > >> > Remember, this is a study group with 10,000+ members. Guess what - >You >> are >> > that guy. How can you fault him/her for having the same gleam in >his/her >> > eye that you once had. >> > >> > Even more shocking, the beauty of Cisco is that we can do just about >> > everything remotely. So our counterparts in any country can now >assume >> our >> > roles in our country. They no longer even need an H1-B. >> > >> > And you better believe they can do it cheaper. >> > >> > Now evaluate your credentials and remember that your competition is >as >> well >> > versed in English as you, has an american sales counterpart, and >even >> holds >> > a Masters Degree or PH.D in Telecommunications or Electrical >Engineering >> as >> > well as one or more CCIE designations. >> > >> > Oh yes, and he/she even has the years of expereince in I.T. or >> > Telecommunications. >> > >> > >> > This is what you are going to be faced with. You will still be able >to >> get >> > a job, but it will be at substantially reduced rates. Welcome to >the >> global >> > economy. >> > >> > It is a bright new world with many smiling faces. >> > >> > Did I forget to mention that one such country has almost twice the >> > population of the U.S or better and some of them (a large number) >> currently >> > hold the above qualifications? >> > >> > Better wake up and stake your claim early, sleepy head. >> > >> > The days of 125k+ just to install access routers is over. The >competition >> > is coming from your local high schools, colleges, tech education >centers, >> > and even abroad. >> > >> > It is happening as we speak. Some Call Centers are global in >physical >> > location. >> > >> > Cisco's very own IP Telephony is making this possible. >> > >> > So my advice is to continue your formal education, get your certs, >and >> build >> > rock-solid credentials - You may not get the chance to do so in the >next >> 3-5 >> > years or so. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "yakout esmat" >> > To: "eric" >> > Cc: >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:22 AM >> > Subject: RE: OT. Any guarantee that the CCIE >> > >> > >> > > Eric >> > > >> > > It is a tough question. And I am sure the responses will vary from >one >> to >> > > another. >> > > >> > > There are few things to consider; >> > > >> > > 1) Supply and demand, obviously the demand on IT professionals >(CCIE or >> > not) >> > > is diminishing so quickly as the world market kneels and curls >into a >> > fetal >> > > position (hope it doesn't go back to the womb) >> > > >> > > 2) The real question is, will the market ever pick up? and when? I >think >> > it >> > > will pick up, but not as it was before, not even close. >When.....well >> this >> > > is the million dollar question, because if it is going to take few >years >> > to >> > > "START" picking up, then every one needs to rethink and revisits >their >> > > strategies (different people have different strategies) >> > > >> > > 3) When the market picks up, employers will start employing people >with >> > > experience first and certification second, and these will be >toooooo >> many. >> > > So if you want to arm yourself with CCIE, gain experience here and >there >> > and >> > > hold your breath, joing the club..I can see you already are a >member of >> > Club >> > > Groupstudy :-)) >> > > >> > > My personal opinion, don't follow any body's foot steps, just >follow >> your >> > > dreams regardless. >> > > If you like IT and like the challenge of CCIE, by all means go for >it. >> It >> > > has to pay at the end and will never go to waste ever. >> > > >> > > Yakout >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:27 AM > > > > To: yakout esmat >> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Subject: OT. Any guarantee that the CCIE >> > > >> > > >> > > Please excuse my off the subject questions. >> > > Just wanted to get some input from group members. Will the CCIE >Cert. >> get >> > > you or >> > > me a job in todays market or better yet next years market looking >at >> > giving >> > > myself 6 months (unemployment Benefits ) to get my number. >> > > I am thinking of going to one of the many schools after my >upcoming >> > layoff; >> > > are >> > > they worth the investment or should I try to do it on my own with >the >> help >> > > of >> > > this list and the labs that are out there ? >> > > I am trying to get a sense of how bad is it out there and will >things >> turn >> > > around. I love this field and if it matters I live in the Bay Area >and >> > would >> > > rather not leave after getting my number but will do what it takes >to >> stay >> > > in the >> > > field. >> > > Thanks for any input or advice. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > Commercial lab list: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> > > Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> > Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> > Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >_________________________________________________________________ >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >_________________________________________________________________ >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. 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