Thank you Mark! John, like Mark said boot camps are the easy way to get a
cert but do little for your skill set unless you have a photographic memory.
There is nothing that can replace hard core studying and experience. When I
hire certed people I actually drill them in real world situations like, you
just added a new server in the domain as a member server but now you are
having login problems and election storms, why? That is very easy of course
but you get the picture. Get the experience and work on the cert as you go.
With MS if you get your W2K MCSE today, next year it is being replaced with
.net, and then who knows. :>

Steve (MCSE)

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark W. Odette II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE needs advice on MCSE [7:52236]

John-
Honestly, I believe that unless you've got some extensive (more than 2
years) experience in troubleshooting MS Servers and workstations, the
Bootcamp will do you an injustice.  You will learn a considerable amount
of stuff in a short time, and then take the tests to pass immediately
afterwards.  3-6 months later, you won't remember half of what you
learned about Active Directory or Group Policy management, much less
anything dealing with NT 4/2000 mixed Server application scenarios.
You'll then feel really stupid when trying to solve problems that you
would feel should be simple, but some gotcha makes them not.  Just my
humble opinion though, from years of experience working with the Paper
MCSEs.

This, of course, does not take into account the possibility that you
personally have a "read once, never forget it" learning capacity. :)

If you do have the experience though, MCSE Bootcamps are the way to go
(provided money is no object).

I would suggest LearnQuick.com as the source for the Bootcamp, as the
instructor is top notch.  Classes are held in Austin, TX.

Sincerely,
Mark Odette, II
CCNP, MCSE 4.0/2000, A+ Certified.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Conzone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCIE needs advice on MCSE [7:52236]

Hi. Sorry to go off topic but I studied here for my CCIE and found all
of
you very helpful and understanding.

I am wanting to get my MCSE and want to attend a MCSE Bootcamp. Any
experiences, advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.


                            Best Regards
                            John Conzone
                            CCIE #6409 R/S
                            CNE 3/4/5




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