Hi,
As you probably noticed that quite a number of CCIEs are jobless in the US,
and seems like Cisco professionals has been oversupplied to the market.
Since this is the case, I would say the certification is losing its
attractiveness.
As always, a bit advice. Take and pass the cert only when you know the
stuff, and live with the credentials instead of tainting it.
A paper cert will last only 5-10 mins in technical interview.
My 2 cents
Regards,
Leonard Ong, CISSP, CSS-1, CCSE, MCSE,
MCDBA, CCNP, CCDP, NSA, LCP
Network Security Specialist, APAC
NOKIA
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-----Original Message-----
From: ext Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lookee Lookie - new certifications!!!! [7:54435]
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
>
> >Robert Edmonds wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's another benefit I see from certifications like this:
> >> there are
> >> things that all of us know how to do, but if asked to walk
> >> someone through
> >> it over the phone, couldn't do it. For example, for me it
> >> would be DNS
> >> configuration. I can do it, but I can't tell YOU how to do
> >> it. I know it
> >> just well enough to kind of stumble through it and get it
> >> working. And I
> >> can get it working CORRECTLY. It's just that I am weak in
> that
> >> area. With
> >> a performance based test in a lab situation, I could pass by
> >> getting it to
> >> work, but I may not be able to answer the question
> correctly on
> >> paper. And,
> >> in my opinion, it's more important to be able to "walk the
> >> walk" than "talk
> >> the talk". What do you think?
> >
> >Talking the talk is very important too. Think proactively.
> Hopefully, before
> >long, you'll be moving up in the world. If you can train your
> replacement to
> >do what you did, then you can move up with fewer impediments.
> If you can't
> >train a replacement, then you may not be able to move up, or
> you may move up
> >and continually get calls from your replacement asking for
> your help.
>
> Increasingly, I like my conceit of talking the walk.
I should have said talking the walk. That's what I had in mind.
> Talking
> the talk
> may be more characteristic of sales. Remember, some of the
> important
> distinctions between a seller of used cars and an account
> executive
> for networking are that the seller of used cars both knows when
> he is
> lying and how to drive.
>
> Walking the talk also makes more sense -- it is the ability to
> listen
> and learn, and can be generalized to researching who has talked
> about
> what.
Or it could be trying to implement what that talkative sales person sold
you?? ;-)
Priscilla
>
> >
> >
> >I have worked with engineers who have never given any thought
> to learning,
> >training, etc. You know the type who can only work with
> concrete things and
> >considers any social science like education or psychology to
> be hogwash. ;-)
>
> Were it not for social sciences like anthropology, you and I
> couldn't
> be tribal elders or shamans.
>
> >These types get stuck doing all sorts of mundane things that
> are beneath
> >them because they can't explain to someone else how to do it.
> This probably
> >doesn't apply to you, but it's just something to think about.
> >
> >It's funny that you use DNS as an example. I'm working with an
> engineer
> >right now who has said he will show me his DNS tasks but he
> has failed to do
> >this. I wonder if it's because he only does it once in a while
> and is afraid
> >that he won't be able to explain it to me. I'll try to go easy
> on him, now
> >that you have helped me see his side of the story. :-)
> >
> >Priscilla
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