Our parent "company" had the idea of letting a TelCo do the same for us.
 The TelCo was/is contracted to set up a "gateway" between the old
network and the new network.  Lucky for us we're smarter than they are
(at least we think we are...) and are having things our way.  :-)

It's difficult to try keeping a "hands-off" approach to letting a
vendor install a major piece of equipment in the core of MY network. 
Maybe you know how it is... watching an engineer (CCNP with some
experience) who is supposed to know what he's doing but brings down the
network instead.  Add a CCIE with a few years experience to the mix,
three more tries with two of them resulting in network outages.

The suggested configuration for our first 6500 (a 6513 with dual
Sup2/MSFC2/PFC2) was to run in HSRP between the two MSFCs. (For those
who don't know, an MSFC - Multiservice Switch Feature Card or something
like that, is a routing module on the switch supervisor).  We are
running IP, IPX and AppleTalk.  What they didn't tell us was we had to
keep the configurations sync'ed between the two MSFCs otherwise there
would be problems.  Config Sync doesn't support AppleTalk.  Guess
what... we had problems.  We're now running SRM.

I guess I should get to the point here.  My experience says "forklift"
upgrades are bad.  Way too much room for things to go bad.  Considering
the problems introducing a single new core box, I'd take it slow.  make
sure everything runs as planned while you upgrade.  Make sure
Spamming-Tree (did I say that??) is working properly, VTP is
communicating and the hardware has burned in.  That brings up another
thing: after the first few weeks, one of the lights on the switch fabric
module stopped showing green (looked burned out).  While tempted to say
it's just a light, you have no idea what the root problem causing the
light not to function is.  We had the vendor replace the card.

It seems our vendor keeps shooting itself in the foot.  Their engineers
keep doing things that prevents them from earning any respect from us. 
On a positive note,  I know one engineer with that company who I do
respect.  Too bad they keep him in design.  :-)

Ken

>>> "Chuck's Long Road"  10/07/02
09:45PM >>>
interesting.

The following may or may not be feasible, depending upon space in
closets,
and cost of implementation. It is something my employer is supposed to
be
doing for the various "branch offices" of a major customer we have
during a
major network forklift upgrade. It has tended not to happen this way
for a
lot of reasons, political and practical.

1) Place all new switches into the various closets. Connect them up

2) set up a gateway ( single link ) between the new core switch(s) and
the
old core switch(s)

3) test connectivity by taking a laptop with as many user applications
as
practical, and go from closet to closet testing connectivity to the
various
servers, services, etc.

4) assuming point three results in connectivity everywhere, do a closet
by
closet migration of users from the old switches to the new switches.

5) migrate all devices ( servers, internet, etc ) onto the new core
switches.

6) assuming all remains well, unplug the old stuff  and if Cisco is
not
offering you a generous trade in, sell it on one of the auction sites.

Like I said, sometimes time, space, and cost does not permit this.

Chuck

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