This reminds me of a quote I heard once "The only people who can afford to
hire a plumber, are electricians."  Maybe we should unionize like them.
"The international brotherhood of it workers?"

Jarett

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> ""Aaron Ajello""  wrote in message
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> > IMHO, comparing COBOL and mainframes to networking as a valuable,
> marketable
> > skill set doesn't follow.  COBOL was replaced by VB, C++, ASP and other
> > languages.  Mainframes were replaced by things like Windows, UNIX and
> > Linux.  I don't know of something that will replace networking.  I'm not
> > saying it's impossible, but the comparison doesn't seem right.  Cisco
> could
> > get replaced, but how is networking going to be replaced?  Even if
> > everything goes wireless, it's still all networked, no?
>
> Networking will be 'replaced' in the sense that it will fade into the
> background.  Eventually, networking will be just as reliable as, say,
> electric power in your building.  It will be just another utility.  But
when
> that happens, you really don't need engineers very much.  You just plug
> something into a wall socket and it works.  OK, if you wanna rewire a
> building or something, yeah you gotta call an electrician.  But how many
> times does that happen?
>
>
> >
> > Several people have said R/S isn't such a valuable skill set anymore
> because
> > people aren't building networks anymore.  Maybe that's true, but it
> reminds
> > me of what someone said when the machine gun was invented.  He said it
was
> > so powerful and destructive that it would bring an end to war.  also,
> didn't
> > bill gates say one time that no one would ever need a hard drive bigger
> than
> > 16meg, or something like that?
>
> I don't follow.  If people aren't building networks anymore (and they are
> not for the total number of networks is actually decreasing now, mostly
due
> to bankrupt providers getting liquidated), then that necessarily means
less
> demand for network people.  And even if the number of networks remained
the
> same, that still implies less demand compared to a few years ago when
> networks were being built out.  Let's face it.  You need more people and
> more expertise to build a network than to maintain it.   That's not to say
> that you don't need any expertise to maintain a network, because you
> obviously do, but you need less of it.
>
> And again, I would point to the fact that the many, dare I say the
majority
> of predictions, actually turn true.   Would you tell your kid today to
> pursue a career in, say, steel?  I didn't think so.  But, hey, you could
use
> the same arguments to say that nobody can predict the future with
certainty,
> therefore steel might be a great career, etc. etc.  And indeed it might be
a
> great career.  But, really now, what are the odds?
>
> >
> > It seems like every time I pick up a tech magazine it's talking about ip
> > telephony, internet connected toasters, high speed web enabled cell
> phones,
> > etc.  yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what someone is going to say- "the
> > infrastructure is already in place to connect your toaster to the
> > internet."  But won't more and more internet connected devices
necessitate
> > more people who know how to connect those things and make them work
> together
> > quickly, reliably and smoothly?
>
> Not necessarily - not if everything is truly plug+play and reliable.  Ease
> of use and reliability implies less need for expertise.  Let's be
perfectly
> honest.  The fact that IP networks are still somewhat difficult to
configure
> and also somewhat unreliable is actually kind of a good thing, because it
> means that companies need to keep network guys around.  While we may say
> that we want a super-reliable and easy to use network, the fact is, we
don't
> really want that.
>
> For example, consider this.  The latest IT boom implied a massive increase
> in the use of electricity.  But did that imply a giant boom for
> electricians?  Hardly.  The reason is simple.  Electricity is, for the
most
> part, plug and play, and reliable.  You take all your new-fangled systems,
> plug them into the wall, and they work.  OK, true, there was some increase
> in demand for electricians, especially for datacenters and whatnot, but
the
> increase was mild.
>
>
> Now, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not trying to bag on electricians.
I
> have several friends who are electricians, and I respect their profession
> and their skill.  I'm just using them as an example of the way I think
> things are eventually going to go in networking.  There will still be
jobs,
> but not as many as there are today, and the jobs that will be out there
will
> be for higher-end people, with limited for the novices.  Just like the way
> electricians are today.
>
>
>
> >
> > I think at this point in the evolution of info systems, the internet and
> > networking it's premature to say anything has reached it's peak and is
> > mature.  Think of all the homes out there not connected to the internet.
> > Think of all the companies out there still not using networks and info
> > systems.




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