First of all, surely you would agree that Cisco is not a dominant vendor in security products the way they are in, say, straight enterprise routing and switching. The fact of the matter is that when it comes to security, Cisco is really just one of several vendors. In no security submarket do they hold greater than 50% market share. That's my point.
And not only that, but the competition within the security marketplace is fierce. You say that Cisco marketing should move away from convergence. But let's face it - Cisco has dominant market share when it comes to convergence. The same thing with wireless. Cisco is going to spend money on where it thinks it can get the greatest return on investment, and Cisco has enjoyed success in convergence and in wireless to a degree that it doesn't enjoy in security - either because the competition is fierce or because Cisco has made mistakes, or because Cisco's products aren't very good, or a combination of all three factors. If I was Cisco, I don't know if I would invest serious money in the security market either - because, again, it all comes down to a return on investment. Why duke it out with a savvy and technically superior competitor like Checkpoint when you can earn serious money in the convergence space? And I'm afraid I must take issue with the notion that there is another security cert out there of serious note. Let's look at things seriously. When it comes to hands-on security certifications that are respected and well-known, what is there? Not much. The CISSP and all the SANS stuff is not hands-on. And, as I'm sure we would all agree, paper exams are usually not worth the paper they're printed on. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Will Gragido" To: "'nrf'" ; Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: RE: Off Topic - CCIE Certification Junkies [7:65499] Well, I think that if you look beyond the scope of mere Cisco Certifications (btw, I am not insinuating that Cisco Certs are somehow not up to par, only that they are not the only game in town), you'll find exactly that which you are speaking to NRF, especially in the world of Security. BTW, Cisco is actually a HUGE provider of security technologies....their marketing department needs to realize this and defer some of their efforts away from Wireless and Convergence and focus a tad bit more on Security. My 2 Cents, Will Gragido CISSP CCNP CIPTSS CCDA MCP 9450 W. Bryn Mawr Ave. Suite 325 Rosemont, Il 60018 www.ins.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Off Topic - CCIE Certification Junkies [7:65499] ""Jim Brown"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I would imagine the 5 CCIE mark has already been obtained. I met someone > who was working on their 5th at the end of the summer and I'm sure they > have passed by now. > > Don't forget the article in Packet about Mark Purcell. I'm not sure on > the spelling of his name, but he already had 4 and was working on his > 5th. Which is why I think there's even more reason for there to be a certification that sits above the CCIE. Instead of having all these multiple CCIE's, just enact one super-cert. I envision a lab where you might be expected to demonstrate competence in absolutely anything and everything that Cisco sells - IOS, Callmanager, ATM switches, optical, CIP cards - if Cisco sells it, it's fair game. What would be even better is if Cisco allowed a cert that was multi-vendor. Or a true security cert that tested all the common security technologies (including Checkpoint, Snort, etc.) instead of just Cisco gear - let's face it, Cisco is not a dominant vendor in security gear. For example, a true service-provider cert that tested both Cisco and Juniper. But I'm not going to hold my breath. > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Long and Winding Road > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Off Topic - CCIE Certification Junkies [7:65499] > > > With the announcement of the CCIE Voice certification ( a Good Thing, > IMHO ) > I wonder a couple of things: > > 1) who will be the first quadruple CCIE? > > 2) Does Cisco still recognize the Design, WAN, and IBM CCIE's as valid > certifications, making it possible to have more than four? > > 3) When will the CCIE become just another useless cert in the long > history > of useless networking certs? > > NRF - you out there tonight? > > > > > -- > TANSTAAFL > "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=65536&t=65499 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
