I agree. I may not be the most technical person but i am good at selling so i have no problems getting gigs to go to. what i find is not all tech guys are good at sales and thats a shame. If you wanted to really be great you need to do sales. Telemarketing is where you learn the tricks of the trade.
-- Regards, Steve K ""nrf"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From what I've seen, you can still get very high rates. > > The problem is that in order to get those kind of rates, you either have to > be very well connected, have a big name (far beyond what a CCIE could ever > give you - for example, Dr. Vint Cerf could easily command a princely rate, > but of course he "only" invented TCP/IP), or be an excellent salesman, or > usually all of the above. Furthermore, it is extremely dangerous to assume > that you will be getting that high rate consistently for 40 hours a week, 50 > weeks a year. The Usually the majority of your time will be spent scoping > out clients, marketing yourself, and doing paperwork - things for which you > are making no money. > > Also from what I've seen, for true success as a self-employed person, what > is much more important than your technical skills is your business savvy. I > know a bunch of technically brilliant people who could never run their own > gig, and by the same token, I know guys who, quite frankly, suck > technically, but have the slick salesmanship to be very successful at > running their own business. You might ask how such people can actually get > jobs done if they aren't technically sharp, and the answer is simple - they > hire others to do it for them. To digress slightly,this is why at > practically every tech company I know, the top salesmen always make > substantially more than the top engineers - often by a factor of 3 to 5 > times. > > > ""supernet"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Not sure about Chicago area, but in my area, rate is generally above > > $150/hr. And guess what, I'm in Silicon Valley. > > > > To configure a router or switch is simple. Worst case, pick up the phone > > and call TAC will solve most configuration problems. Customers are > > looking for someone that can run the show. CCIE is not enough, you also > > need to know how to do project management and very importantly, how to > > BS. > > > > This is based on several interviews I had during the past couple of > > weeks. > > > > Yoshi > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Mike Schlenger > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:44 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: CCIE Self-Employment [7:62394] > > > > Really? WHERE DO I SIGN?????? :) > > > > Mike > > Chicagoland CCIE #7079 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sam Munzani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:12 PM > > To: steve r; Jay Greenberg; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: CCIE Self-Employment > > > > > > Rate depends on who is paying and how much do they have? :-) > > > > In chicago area $125/Hr is considered normal with 1 way travel time. If > > you > > got a fortune 500 client, you can easily bump it up to $175/Hr. and they > > will not argue about it. > > > > Sam > > > > > > > CCIE self employed, > > > well if you find another CCIE to partner with you can get silver > > partner > > > status, (and some other requirements too) > > > > > > If you are in the biz you should know...pix...vpn and some other stuff > > the > > > hourly work is great but it depends on the clients locations...and the > > > billing rate.. > > > Good luck in this market it may be better then being out of work like > > my > > > friend is (and he is a CCIE too) > > > Bill at what you can get $100 to $200 an hour or more > > > or less if its cash.. > > > > > > Stephen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jay Greenberg" > > > To: ; > > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:14 PM > > > Subject: CCIE Self-Employment > > > > > > > > > > Any CCIEs on the list in business for themselves? What's the money > > > > like, what sort of companies do you work for? Do you do short-term > > or > > > > long term contracts? Hourly work? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jason Greenberg, CCIE #11021 > > > > > > > > . > > > . > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66029&t=62394 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
