My response is in this dark brown colour. The population of Mysore is in the region of 8-9 lakhs and not likely to be 20 lakhs (avg 4 /hh) as you project.
I hope the suggestion is not that if the charge (one-time) was Rs 400/-, or even Rs 500/-, it would be too high for 24x7 water-supply. Anyway calculations aside I already mentioned how the MoUD played a role in this. And this some may argue is the catch. The brains in KUWS&DB and Vani Vilas Water Works,Mysore and Manivannan as Commissioner also did not think up 24 X7. I expect the tariff would provide for exponential increases if the consumption exceeds certain norms. So, 24x7 need not automatically mean wastage, particularly when JUSCO is ging to be monitoring it. Why shd the local people accept more top down (centralised) decision making in JNNURM to create --- opposition,resistance and dividing the citizens, in any city anywhere. By the way Mysore and Blr JNNURM CDP was written during a period when niether the BBMP nor Mysore council were in place, TOP DOWN TALK its about all those who leave others to give directions..... NOT POPULAR MASS DEMOCRACY not the people like the locals in who are better educated literate and smart COERCION has no role here... So, the Basavangudi National College fly-over should be accepted as a boon to the city since it was conceived by a Corporator; but, a project which is going to improve the water-supply to Mysore city becomes something attempted to be "coerced" onto the citizens, just because it was conceived by the (non-elected) Commissioner! Whatever, I don't see what the problem is. I suppose the project can't go through without the elected council endorsing it. And, the Commissioner's attempts seem to be to educate the Councillors on the project's merits. He may even succeed with the councillors, but the status-quoists with the vested interests are the real threat. The WB did its CONDITIONAL REFORMS LOAN job in Hubli- Dhwarrd, Gulbarga and Belagum and are now jockeying to take over the whole city water supply. So it did not need to come in here if the specific bureaucrat in the MoUD Dlehi Govt believes in the leading practice of 24 X 7 A loan that is unconditional can't be classified as a loan. The appropriate word for it would perhaps be 'gift'. And, I don't know of any banks anywhere making over gifts. Even Islamic banking imposes conditions. *Muralidhar Rao* On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Vinay Baindur <[email protected]> wrote: > The population of Mysore is in the region of 8-9 lakhs and not likely to be > 20 lakhs (avg 4 /hh) as you project > > Anyway calculations aside I already mentioned how the MoUD played a role > in this. And this some may argue is the catch. The brains in KUWS&DB and > Vani Vilas Water Works,Mysore and Manivannan as Commissioner also did not > think up 24 X7. > > Why shd the local people accept more top down (centralised) decision making > in JNNURM to create --- opposition,resistance and dividing the citizens, in > any city anywhere. By the way Mysore and Blr JNNURM CDP was written during a > period when niether the BBMP nor Mysore council were in place, > > TOP DOWN TALK its about all those who leave others to give directions..... > NOT POPULAR MASS DEMOCRACY > not the people like the locals in who are better educated literate and > smart > > COERCION has no role here... > > The WB did its CONDITIONAL REFORMS LOAN job in Hubli- Dhwarrd, Gulbarga and > Belagum and are now jockeying to take over the whole city water supply. So > it did not need to come in here if the specific bureaucrat in the MoUD Dlehi > Govt believes in the leading practice of 24 X 7 > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Rs 10 crores for 5 lakh households is just Rs 200 per household. And, for >> that, if you can 24X7 water-supply, I should think any citizen will be more >> than happy to make the payment. >> >> The Bhyrappa's of this world, who are only keen on scuttling the project >> in order to further vested interests, will naturally project it in ways that >> suit them. Anyone wanting to support Bhyrappa's cause can perhaps add a new >> twist with a conspiracy theory involving Manivannan and the repository of >> all that's evil - the World Bank >> >> Muralidhar Rao >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Vinay Baindur <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> A congress corporator was elected as Mayor of Mysore yesterday and a >>> JD(S) one is the Deputy Mayor >>> All the Machinations of BJP for horse trading and operation Kamala was a >>> failure. >>> >>> It would be helpful to keep a close watch on the actual situation since >>> many local residents are also keenly watching >>> >>> Just like the KUWASIP experiments in Hubli - Dharwad were on the >>> condition of World Bank, those who know can inform that MoUD played the >>> major role in the 24 X 7 project coming to Mysore making the taxpayers to >>> pay Rs 10 crs more for project. >>> >>> We now know more about the actual situation in >>> Jamshedpur from the comments of Bhyrappa. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> This is primarily Congress Corporator, Bhyrappa's view, and only to be >>>> expected from the typical opposition politician that he obviously is. The >>>> project has been initiated by none less than the redoubtable Manivannan, >>>> who >>>> would definitely have done enough home-work to ensure equity. Here's >>>> clearly >>>> another example of how people with vested interests perpetuate the >>>> status-quo. >>>> >>>> Welcome to the debate at >>>> >>>> http://mysore.praja.in/blog/silkboard/2008/12/04/tata-arm-bags-mysore-water-supply-project#comment-11427 >>>> >>>> Muralidhar Rao >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Vinay Baindur <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4156515.cms >>>>> >>>>> Another hurdle in JNNURM water project >>>>> 19 Feb 2009, 2138 hrs IST, TNN >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> MYSORE: The JNNURM project to remodel water distribution network in >>>>> the city is heading for trouble. >>>>> >>>>> After people protested against the move to hand over the management of >>>>> the water distribution network to Jamshedpur Utilities and Services >>>>> Company >>>>> (JUSCO), a Tata enterprise, the Mysore City Corporation, the nodal agency, >>>>> is now facing opposition from corporators. Speaking to reporters on >>>>> Wednesday, B L Bhyrappa from the Congress said he is opposed to the move. >>>>> >>>>> This comes after the MCC took the members to Jamshedpur to familiarise >>>>> them about JUSCO's management of water services at the steel city in >>>>> Jharkhand. It was deputy commissioner P Manivannan who identified the Tata >>>>> company to execute the project. >>>>> >>>>> After the opposition to the tripartite agreement between the MCC, >>>>> Karnataka Urban Water Supply and Drainage Board (KUWS&DB) and the JUSCO, >>>>> some corporators were taken there. "We were shown the facility and also >>>>> introduced to the JUSCO's handling and management of various facilities,'' >>>>> he stated. According to him, water management at Jamshedpur is not >>>>> satisfactory. >>>>> >>>>> In planned areas, water is supplied 24x7 and the bill is a minimum of >>>>> Rs 200 a month. At slums, borewell water is supplied through public taps. >>>>> In >>>>> case water connection is required by the slum dwellers, they need to pay >>>>> Rs >>>>> 10,000. There is no government control over handling of the facilities at >>>>> Jamshedpur including water and electricity, he stated. Terming it as >>>>> privatization of the public utilities, Bhyrappa said the JUSCO does not >>>>> have >>>>> social concern since it has not extended the UGD connection of slums and >>>>> does not supply water to them. "Do we need such an utility to operate our >>>>> system?" he asked. >>>>> >>>>> This comes after protests at the MCC recently when prominent citizens >>>>> voiced their opposition to the deal according to which the JUSCO will take >>>>> over the management and handle it for six years. 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