Greetings all,

1. The answer to Stuart's question is that the book Instrumentos 
Musicais Populares Portugueses, by Ernesto Veiga de Oliveira published 
in 2000 is I only available in Portuguese.  If you really want to know 
about these Iberian instruments you will have to read Spanish and 
Portuguese. The English language sources are very poor... I should say 
here that I am not a native Spanish or Portuguese speaker.  Although my 
father was from Galicia Spain, my mother was American of Polish descent. 
I was born in New Jersey, We did not speak Spanish at home. Although I 
made my first trip to Spain when I was a teen, I had to learn Spanish 
and Portuguese through many years of study in high school, college and 
graduate school.

2. I do not remember the Portuguese guitarra made by Rosa and Caldiera, 
Lisbon, mid 19th century that you mention in Baines 'European and 
American Musical Instruments' (1966). I do know the guitarra on the 
front the Guitarra Magica book.

3. I know of a maker named João Viera da Silva who Cabral states was 
active in Lisbon in 1799. His guittar is shown in Cabral's book. His 
first name is also given as Jaco.

4. Here is Stuart's statement which I wish to comment on:
 
Doesn't that beg the question of the origin of the Portuguese guitar? 
There simply couldn't have been a method for the Portuguese guitar in 
1796 because it hadn't yet been invented/developed. To a non-Portuguese 
person it would seem simpler to say that the Silva Leite method is the 
start of the uniquely Portuguese development of the instrument (rather 
than take Cabrals' route of surmising a mysterious 'citola' and a prior  
but invisible tradition)?

Your statement raises all kind of issues which I am not really prepared 
at this moment to deal with but I will make few comments.

a) As everyone on this list knows the information about the medieval 
cítola is scarce (Let's not get hung up at this time how this term is 
supposedly spelled--citole, citolom, citra, cithara). In Cabral's book 
(A Guitarra Portuguesa) he starts by showing drawings of medieval 
instruments which he variantly calls cítola and cítaras from the 
Psaltério de Utrecht, Reims circa 820 located at Biblitheek Der 
Rijksuniversiteit, Utretcht, Holland, Salmo 43, fol. 25r, Salmo 92, fol. 
54v. , Salmo 147, fol. 82 r.. Then, he displays paintings with cítaras 
in them located in the Bible of Carlos, ) O Calvo,  from 830 AD, located 
at the Biblioteca Nacional de Paris, Ms. Lat I. I fl. 215 v. . Next, he 
shows another cítola from the Psalterio de Estugada, circa 860 AD, 
located at Wurtembergische Landesbibliothek, Ms. Bibl., fol. 23, fl. 63. 
v and fol. 23, fl. 63 v.. He then shows a sculpture from the Baptisterio 
de Parma de Benedetto Antelami (circa 1180 AD). Then he shows various 
drawing from the Cancioneiro de Ajuda from the  XIII and XIV centuries 
(I do not understand where these are located). He also shows a  colored 
drawing from the Cantigas de Santa Maria (XIV century) located at the 
Library of the Escorial, Madrid, fol 29. He goes on to show the 14th 
century cítola from Warwick Castle in England ( located at the British 
Museum in London)--saying that this is only existing example of this 
instrument. He does not show a drawing or a specimen of a distinctively 
Portuguese medieval cítola. He is only presenting Western European 
evidence of the medieval cítola.It is important to remember that during 
medieval times that the Moors were in possession of ost of the Iberican 
peninsula.

b) Cabral proceeds to show a number of nice Italia cítaras  dating from 
1550 and after: one from Giovanni Salvatori (Italy), another from 
Gasparo da Salo (Brecia), three from Girolamo de Virchis (Brescia), 
another from Augustinus Citaraedus (Urbino, Italy), the anonymous 
Italian cítara at the Ashmolean in Oxford and an anonymous Flemish cítar 
from 1640 in the Museu da Músia in Lisbon.  He also show a photo of  
sculpture of an angel playing a cítara from 1415 located at the church 
of the  monastery of Santa Maria da Vitoria located at Batalha, 
Portugal. To this point in his text, which was written in the mid 
1980's, he has only be able to show the 1415 sculpture of a Portuguese 
cítara. I should mention that since that time I believe that an earlier 
sculpture has been located just over the border from Portugal at the 
cathedral ofSantiago de Compostela, Spain--I do not remember the date of 
that sculpture--it is above a doorway whcih was mentioned to me  by Luis 
Penedo (President of the Academia da Guitarra Portuguesa e do Fado, in 
Lisboa)
 
c)  Cabral next presents a short section on the Baroque cítara then he 
proceeds to the Grand Family of the European Cítaras. This section 
includes cítaras (citterns) from Hamburg (1700 by Joachim Tielke), 2 
from Nuremburg (1766 by Andreas Kram and the other anonymous),  1 from 
Paris by Georges Cousineau, 1780),  1 from Lille ( byGerard Deleplanque 
1770),  1 from Turingia, Germany (19th century anonymous). The English 
Guittars by (John Preston between 1734 and 1770),  John Rutherford 
(circa 1750), Remerius Liessem (1756), Edward Dickenson (1759), 
Frederick Hintz (1760), William Gibson (1765, Dublin), Michael Rauche 
 1770 and 1772), Joseph Rudiman (1780, Aberdeen), Jacøo Vieira da Silva 
(1790 Lisbon), Chritian Claus (1783), Domingos José de Araujo (Braga. 
Portugal 1806, 1807, 1812) Henrique Rufino Ferro Lisbon 1820)

d) The next chapter Cabral entitles the Portuguese Guitarra. The first 
instrument shown is the 12 string instrument with 12 wooden pegs made in 
1764 by Joaquim Pedro dos Reis. I have seen this instrument at the City 
Museum in Lisbon. This instrument is distinct from the contemporary 
English guitars which have 10 strings and also in the peg head design. 
The pegs come through the head like a modern flamenco guitar, not from 
the sides like English guittars which have wooden pegs (such the John 
Preston Guittar shown in the book).  If the date of this instrument is 
correct (and many believe it is), then it predates the Silva Leite book 
by 30 years.  Also, it show that there was a 12 string Portuguese 
tradition from at least the last third of the 18th century. Cabral 
refers to this instrument as the cítara popular (popular cittern)-- it 
seems that the term guitarra comes later (perhaps with Silva Leite's 
book). I should note here that the last reference that Cabral could find 
for the use of the term cítara in Portugal was in 1858 in a work by 
François Joseph Fétis entitled A Música ao alcance de todos. (Cabral 
does not mention where this book was published.). The Joaquim Pedro dos 
Reis instrument is also interesting because it is claimed to the be 
"guitarra" of Maria Severa who was the first great fado singer.
The rest of this chapter includes a variety of Portuguese guitarras 
ranging from great instruments by João Pedro Gracio (1925), Joaquim 
"Kim" Graçio (1957), alvaro Marciano da Silveira (1961), João pedro 
Gracio Junior (1964), Gilberto Gracio (1969 and 1971) Fernando Meireles 
(1998), Antonio Victor Vieira (1932) Jose Mendonça (1910), antoio França 
Camacho (1912), avelino Coutinho (1915), augusto Viera (1921), antonio 
Diogo de Moraes (1922) Antonio Duarte (1900), Arthur de Albuquerque 
(1900), and Portuguese Electruc guitarra by Gil Oliveira (1989) and, my 
favorite a Portugese guitar made from a large rectangular tin can which 
used to hold Estrela da Beira brand coffee.

O course, all of this is mind boggling. There are so many loose ends, 
misunderstandings of terms, poor translations of facts, terminological 
difficulties. In the new year when I work on my playng the guitarra DVD 
I will review all of the Portuguese literature and maybe I will be able 
to give a digested version of the relevant history.

  Ron Fernandez

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