Thank goodness you're back. Keep that recipe book handy. Never know when we'll need it. Myra
>From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Microchipping/sorry Annette:( >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:50:15 -0600 > >Gee I go away to a dog show and I come back to find I should have been here >posting recipes!!!!!!! > > >VBG >Cathy J. Gish > >Annette Jones wrote: > > > Granted Joanne! VBG Shall we talk about the weather now???? or > > Are you coming over in March? > > Who else is coming over? Just curious to know who I am going to have to >get > > safely onto the bus on Saturday morning! VBG > > Of course that will all depend on someone getting me up in time - not >being > > a morning person and all that! > > > > Annette > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Microchipping/sorry Annette:( > > > > > Myra, > > > The people at AKC don't know me. > > > None of them know me..I am well known among Cavalier people and that >fact > > > (in this country) is changing rapidly. > > > First we'll get that out of the way. > > > The American Kennel Club sent me DNA testing kits..all papers, photos, > > were > > > sent in at one time. > > > The breed was Brussels Griffon. > > > The DNA test is as valid as a tattoo or a microchip. Probably more so > > > because you can never change the DNA...you could change the tattoo or >the > > > chip at any time. > > > AKC has DNA in place to identify dogs, it is a clear and irrefutable >test > > > and as such is probably better (in these circumstances) than a chip or >a > > > tattoo. > > > > > > Jo Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have stated today that you were able to register an import >without > > > > either chipping it or tatooing it. You said that they accepted DNA >as > > the > > > > form of identification even though the AKC registration papers >clearly > > > state > > > > that the import must either be chipped or tatooed. So....I am >curious > > as > > > to > > > > how you were able to provide proof of DNA without having registered >the > > > dog. > > > > The import papers do not have DNA information on them, so who >agreed > > to > > > > run DNA testing without some sort of a registration number on the >dog > > that > > > > is valid here in the US? I'm sorry that you're having a hard time > > > following > > > > this discussion, but I'm having a hard time understanding how you >and > > > Peggy > > > > were able to avoid chipping or tatooing your imports, and who would >run > > > DNA > > > > testing without a valid US registration number on the dog. I know >that > > > you > > > > all have been into cavaliers for a long long time and all that, but > > surely > > > > AKC doesn't invent a whole new Registration of Import system just > > because > > > > you've been breeding for a long long time. Myra Savant > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Jo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Microchipping > > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:01:23 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >They used the import papers. The same import papers used to >register > > the > > > > >dog with the American Kennel Club. > > > > >I'm lost Myra..what is the problem? > > > > >JoAnn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean that the DNA people ran the DNA test WITHOUT a >registration > > > > >number > > > > > > from AKC? Myra Savant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My dogs were DNA tested here in this country. I haven't heard >of > > any > > > > >other > > > > > > >countries doing DNA..and in my opinion the test cost is more >than > > > fair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Any identification done on an import in this country could be > > false. > > > > > > >Any test is only as good as the tester, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As far as ID...if the dog is chipped you need the scanner...not >all > > > > > > >shelters > > > > > > >have them. > > > > > > >Most tattoos are very difficult to read in a matter of >weeks...so > > the > > > > >best > > > > > > >bet is to keep the dogs off the streets..said with humor...it >is a > > > > > > >difficult > > > > > > >problem. > > > > > > >Jo Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jo Ann > > > > > > > > Well, now I'm really curious. Does the AKC accept DNA >results > > > that > > > > >were > > > > > > > > done in a foreign country as a form of permanent ID? >Surely, it > > > > >can't > > > > > > >be > > > > > > > > acceptable if done here since there would be no registration > > > number > > > > >on > > > > > > >it > > > > > > >if > > > > > > > > none had been granted prior to the DNA testing? Our DNA >tests > > > have > > > > >the > > > > > > >dogs > > > > > > > > AKC registration number as well as their registered owner's > > names. > > > > > > >Also, > > > > > > > > for people who are looking at DNA testing as a form of >ID....if > > > your > > > > >dog > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > running loose on the street, a microchip or a tatoo might be > > > > > > >considerably > > > > > > > > faster as a means of ID than taking weeks to run a DNA test. > > Myra > > > > > > >Savant > > > > > > > > >It does not mention DNA. :-) > > > > > > > > >Jo Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The paper work for registration does not mention DNA to >my > > > > > > >knowledge. > > > > > > > > >Myra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually they do not need to be chipped. You may DNA >an > > > import > > > > > > >after > > > > > > > > >it > > > > > > > > > > >arrives in this country. > > > > > > > > > > >Jo Ann Carvill > > > > > > > > > > >BJ Cavaliers > > > > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > >www.bjcavaliers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if you all know this or not, but all > > imports > > > > >must > > > > > > >be > > > > > > > > > > >chipped > > > > > > > > > > > > prior to registration with the AKC. If all the > > > registering > > > > > > >bodies > > > > > > > > > > >required > > > > > > > > > > > > chipping prior to registration of all dogs, it would >be > > a > > > > >quick, > > > > > > > > > > >relatively > > > > > > > > > > > > painless way of insuring that the dogs are >identifiable > > in > > > > >the > > > > > > >case > > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > >an > > > > > > > > > >========================================================= > > > > >"Magic Commands": > > > > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > >to start it up gain click here: > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > >Search the Archives... >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > > author. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > Search the Archives... >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original >author. > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original >author. > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > >-- >http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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