In a message dated 1/17/02 12:24:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Since AKC is a national organization, I would think that their rules would apply at all AKC shows. However, if they aren't enforced equally throughout the country, they probably should be. >> Hi Pat, The different rules I wrote about was relative to the CKCSC shows. My post was in response to a question by Cindy Roof asking if it was not against the rules of the club to socialize with judges and I responded that in some regions it is and in some it is not. In this particular instance, I am not so sure that being part of a discussion group qualifies as pre-show socialization and I assume that dogs who will be exhibited will not be in attendance and the other group members will simply share a public platform. I was not going to comment about this particular topic since I am someone who does exhibit in the CKCSC and will abide by the rules that are established and not fault either other exhibitors or judges who socialize in areas where it is allowed. However, since your post was addressed to me and "here I am" I will take this opportunity to address some comments made about other clubs practices both in the US and overseas and say that there is a difference between a judge being invited to a dinner or a seminar prior to judging, when every other exhibitor is also welcome, and a judge going to a private dinner that is carefully choreographed so as to avoid being discovered by others. In England most shows are one day shows and everyone arrives at the showsite and goes home. Likewise most AKC shows unless your are a professional handler. In the CKCSC we spend weekends together (some arriving on Thursday and staying til Monday) and the opportunities for private socializing are greater. To switch topics only slightle, the Northeast region also has another rule that I think is one that should be adopted by other regions and that is the rule that since the club pays for the judges to come to the shows, no members "own" the Judge on Sunday nights. That means that anyone who wants to have dinner with the Judges after the shows are over are invited to join the group. That policy helps create the type of atmosphere I personally attend CKCSC shows to be part of. That means (if I need to be more specific) that no exhibitor, whether it is their first show or their 50th, will be left alone in their hotel room while the "in crowd" has a jolly evening with the Judges. I wish all the regions would adopt that policy.....we would all benefit. Phyllis Lasser
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