Hello, Diane,
Thanks for a very informative post. I've learned a lot from it. The
only thing with which I take issue is that no one should ignore hives,
especially if they are of the large local sort. Allergic reactions can
escalate from hives to anaphylaxis in the next exposure; take it from
one who has had it happen. Actually, both my husband and I went into
anaphylaxsis on the same day once. What fun. <G> We are both terribly
allergic to bees. He got stung; we raced to the hospital and did the
i.v. thing. I brought him home and told him that since he was so sleepy
from the drugs I'd do the barn work. Of course, I got stung by three
bees doing that work and had to wake HIM to take me in next. LOL
Interestingly, I find that bees are most aggravated during change of
weather or dry spells. Does this have any basis in hard science? Also,
when I mention bees; I am truly allergic to honey bees, but my husband's
allergies are more yellow jacket/wasp related. There is some crossover,
I know, but wasps do not make bee pollen. <G>
I do take your point that bee pollen may not have the same
protein/effect on us that being stung does have.
What I haven't yet gotten my mind around is why bee pollen works to
alleviate allergic symptoms?
thanks again for this interesting post.
Suze
Brigadune Cavaliers wrote:
>
> List:
>
> Goodness, I did not realize the response. Ok. I just consulted with my
> Bee Master, who the California Department of Agriculture, and California
> State University system among many others consult from, and here is the
> response:
>
> ALL OF THE SCARY STUFF FIRST---To Clear Up Myths!
>
> By what everyone wrote, only Leah is actually allergic. It is a very
> common perception that if you are stung by a bee, or other similar insects
> and you get more than a large bump but actually swell, especially if there
> are multiple stings, you are allergic. If you check with your doctor, that
> is a normal reaction. An allergic reaction to a protein or histamine is
> about a 30 minute or less reaction where breathing is stopped and death
> occurs. 99.9% of any population is NOT allergic to this. Also, around
> 78% -92% of any population 'think' they ARE allergic when in actuality they
> are NOT. They are typically allergic to pain, or swelling. When the
> application asks me, "Any allergies?" I always answer, "Yes, to pain!"
>
> It is normal to experience increased reactions to your first dozen or so
> stings, then for immunity to build until you have little or no reaction. A
> paste of aspirin or meat tenderizer ("Adolph's" is the best - and this is
> also what is recommended to add to a Cavalier's dinner if there is a problem
> with poop eaters!) helps alleviate itching and swelling. Other cures may
> also help. What doctors recommend for a bee sting is aspirin and
> antihistamines (Benadryl� Parke-Davis) as soon as possible. Breaking out
> with hives indicates a minor reaction, but don't be alarmed.
>
> Serious reaction to any allergen (like peanuts) is indicated by cramps or
> nausea, fainting, shock and difficulty breathing. Rush to a hospital,
> especially with older people. Anaphylactic shock may be treated with an
> adrenaline (epinephrine) injection. Death from bee stings are exceedingly
> rare: you are five times more likely to die from lightning than from a bee
> sting. Human lethal dose is about 1,000 stings at one time.
>
> As a side note, if you are stung about 120 times in your life, you will
> never have arthritis. No beekeeper has ever had arthritis. And by about 50
> stings, you are immune to the venom in the bee sting and do not need to take
> any medication to prevent any reaction. Bee stings are histamine
> injections. An antihistamine is the counter reactant, such as Benadryl�
> Parke-Davis. There was an E-Mail from a lady in England asking about this.
> This is a brand name product. On the World Wide Web, it is the
> Warner-Lambert Company that claims rights. For people in the United Kingdom
> you can check the URL http://www.allergyadvice.co.uk/ about Benadryl.
>
> Anyone or puppy/dog can become sensitized to any protein. If you become
> highly sensitized, so that your immune system goes berserk, that's called
> anaphylaxis (anaphylactic shock), and you have trouble breathing.
>
> So, all of the puppy/dog 'allergies' that were relayed to the list are
> actually 'normal' reactions. When your dog is stung, you need to monitor
> for a bit. Check the breathing, etc. Benadryl is ok for dogs. You should
> have this on hand in advance, it is proscribed by weight. It used to be Rx
> only but now is over the counter (OTC).
>
> Lynn Beman and others asked, "Do any of you who give Bee Pollen to their
> dogs have any concerns about an
> allergic reaction?" If you are highly allergic to a certain protein, such
> as peanuts, shrimp, chocolate, bee venom, or a certain plant pollen, you
> could have a reaction. It's extremely rare, though. I don't expect that
> there would be any cross-sensitization between bee venom, royal jelly, or
> pollen.
>
> Remember, the stuff going into a beehive is not the same stuff coming from
> a bee sting. That stuff is food, the stuff in a bee sting is poison
> (histamine) that was derived from all of the food sources and changed into
> what it is, a protein classification, histamine.
>
> THE GOOD STUFF SECOND
>
> Debbie Meyers suggested "Try www.springtimeinc.com they might have
> something that can help. I love their stuff. Good luck."
>
> Actually, Springtime does have some terrific stuff, they have a product
> called 'Fresh Factors' that is absolutely terrific for dogs, horses and
> people for the same reasons. An incredible vitamin, mineral, amino acid,
> protein etc. make up. And mostly from bee pollen. Also include Chondroitin
> sulfate, which if you are familiar with the Glucosamine results with
> arthritis in older Cavaliers, as well as humans, is the initial building
> block for the body to produce Glucosamine.
>
> The only negative from providing your pup bee pollen from Spring Time is
> that it is not local to you so you will not get the 'cure' effect as from a
> local beekeeper.
>
> What I said about uncooked and unfiltered is very important. Most honey
> purchased commercially, like the local market, has been pasturized and
> filtered. This means it has been heated and of course run through a small
> mesh filter to take out anything visible. Well, the first most important
> part is heating. Raw honey contains so many natural proteins, ameno acids,
> and enzymes that are incredibaly beneficial to humans, and that 'heating'
> totally destroys them. The filtering takes out the local pollens that
> people develop allergies to but in this natural medium and quantity help the
> body, human and dog alike, build up immunities and therefore no allergic
> reactions. The last requirement is 'local' to really be beneficial for
> allergies. Otherwise, it is really good stuff.
>
> Also, Royal Jelly purchased from a Health Food Store is more than a few
> days old. It is basicaly worthless compaired to the fresh stuff from a bee
> keeper. It is truely like a half-life. Every 24 hours it is 1/2 the value
> it was the day before.
>
> Pollen should be kept in the refridgerator at least, and in the freezer
> at best. If you take some yourself, do not become alarmed at the 'burst' of
> energy that occurs in about 15 minutes and lasts a few hours. It is also a
> mood elevator. So, you will be very happy cleaning your house at top speed!
> for example. Just don't groom your dogs at the same time, it is
> comperable to your mother brushing your hair when she is angry. :-0
>
> Jean Kingston commented, "I first heard about it from a man whose allergies
> were so severe
> that his life was severely impaired. He was put on it by an allergist. I
> have taken it myself and I am allergic to bee sting without any reaction. I
> guess anyone can react to anything. I don't think when you get stung, the
> bee is injecting you with bee pollen. What does our resident bee keeper
> say?"
>
> Where I learned about the allergy situation with bees, -the positive not
> the negative- I was working at a company in Sillicon Valley. One day,
> Richard came to work and I could hardly recognize the fellow I had been
> working with for three months. It looked like he had been mugged, so
> swollen, eyes nearly shut, lips were beyong imagination, nose was huge, and
> was in really bad shape, thinking impaired, motor impaired, emotion
> depleted, etc. He could hardly talk or breathe. He told me it was
> allergies. I asked if he was from here, no from Chicago. Did they have the
> same trees and flowers there? No. I told him to leave work early and find a
> local beekeeper and get uncooked, unfiltered, local honey to where he lived
> in Pleasanton. He did. I told him to take two tablespoons in a cup of
> cool-ish tea or straight. He came to work two days later totally cured!!
> He was dancing, praising, singing, sooooooo happy! And I explained the
> above. He has not had a problem since.
>
> Jean said, "Incidentally, I have a friend who is a resort operator. We
> are really plagued in this area by blackflies and he gets a severe reaction
> to them. He takes bee pollen late winter and early spring and they don't
> bother him."
>
> Also, people and dogs might look into garlic suppliments for the flies and
> other critters that think we are tasty.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Diane & Edward Harris
> Brigadune Cavaliers
> Nevada City, California
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leah Swatko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:08 AM
> Subject: [CKCS-L] Allergies
>
> > I Am allergic to Bees and wasps. I carry a kit for antiphiactic shock all
> summer.
> > Contains a pre loaded syringe of epinephrine..
> > Anyway I am also botherd by black flies and mosquitoes untill I develope a
> level
> > of immunity to them
> > I think their ie a protien in the saliva of the blackflies etc. and in
> the
> > bee and wasp venom that I am allergic to.
> > Over the years i have dropped into shock twice from stings but obviously
> lived
> > to tell the tail.
> > I think I will try the bee pollen. How often how much?
> > Thanks
> > and Happy bark day to Happy
> > from all her kids and grand kids here.
> > Rosie, her daughter at 7
> > Friday grand daughter at 2
> > Morgan and Roxie Grand kids at 1.5
> > and Gillian great grand at 5m
> > Have a pawsatively good one.
> > Leah Swatko
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