Etienne,
Please take this discussion off the classpath mailing lists.
I respectfully disagree with this request. There are clearly issues between the SableVM hackers and other Classpath-using VM authors and Classpath contributors, and everybody knows that there have been for some time now. Nobody genuinely *wants* there to be issues, and ignoring them isn't going to make them go away.
I think that some clear, honest, fair, balanced, and open communication will help to straighten out a number of problems. Even if there remain licensing / copyright-assignment disagreements afterwards (licenses and contribution policies are unlikely to change), I think it's worth clarifying everything so that we all know where each other stand.
For example, we learned from this exchange that Mark and others do not consider themselves in direct competition with SableVM, and we also learned both Tom and Etienne think it would be fair to mention SableVM in the release announcement (perhaps along with all other Classpath-using VM's). What matters to one person may be completely insignificant to another, but I think there's a good reason to respectfully listen to each other's needs, desires, opinions, and misconceptions, and try to accomodate, understand, and politely correct them as best as possible.
Just because SableVM maintains its own distribution of Classpath and
does not contribute direct changes back anymore does not necessitate
black sheep status (and note that this is no strong allegation on my part). Similarly, just because the majority of Classpath hackers may not have SableVM's interests as their number one priority does not mean SableVM hackers should interpret this as meaning that the
rest of Classpath is "out to get" SableVM.
Please. You're all mature and intelligent people, and there is no need
for this kind of bad air. Most of all, it just wastes people's energy
and emotion, when what we really want is to encourage the growth of a
healthy and diverse Free Java community and large set of Classpath-using VM's in this world. This requires time, dedication, motivation, and concentration, and it's difficult to keep the levels of these things up if people are harboring resentment. Just sort it out. Nicely. :)
Chris
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