Hi Philippe, Please try to keep the lists on topic. And please keep runtime specific stuff on the specific runtime lists. Don't cross-post unnecessary (others have also done that, it is not just you). People please keep non-classpath specific stuff off the GNU Classpath developers list. GCJ, kaffe, jamvm, sablevm, etc. all have their own mailinglists. When appropriate move the discussion to one of those.
GNU Classpath is a bit of a "neutral zone". We do all meet here, but we try to focus on the technical issues that are cross-runtime, compiler, execution-environment, platform, etc. And we do try to help each other solving technical issues in a way that is as efficient as possible across platforms. Sure GNU Classpath is part of "the GNU solution" and obviously GCC/GCJ is a big part of that. But we explicitly work together with all the other environments. We organize meetings with all the other projects (like you saw during Fosdem). And we learn from each other. It isn't a place to criticize or question people or projects on the why or how they run projects their own GNU Classpath based projects. I do appreciate your enthusiasm and I am glad I saw some technical stuff about getting the gtk+ awt peers better on the maemo platform. That is what we want to see here! > I don't have the time to go around and check old information and then > ask if it's current. Please do your homework. Other people spend time and energy trying to answer questions for you. I am sure not everything is always documented fully and if so please do ask. But please do read a bit more about the projects you are asking questions about before firing off lots questions to this list that could have been resolved by either reading a bit more about the other projects or that could have been asked on a specific other project list. > Now, where are you guys coordinating a free embedded Java strategy? There isn't 1 free embedded "Java" strategy. And from your postings I am not clear which "embedded" strategy you are looking for. - If it is finding a free J2ME counterpart to GNU Classpath please look in the archives and talk to the people working on that: http://www.spindazzle.org/green/index.php?p=67 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/classpath/2005-11/msg00037.html - If it is finding a really small runtime then go look at jamvm. You met Robert at Fosdem so just send him an email with how you would like to work together. - If it is finding a free WinCE supported environment talk to either the MySaifu developers, the IKVM developers to see if they have a WinCE port (if dotgnu/mono is supported on that), the Kaffe developers wanting to import the old WinCE port or the gcj port (WinCE is not something a lot of people concentrate on since as far as I know it isn't a free platform, but I am sure there are a lot of supporting companies that will be happy to get GCJ fully working for you on it). - If it is finding how to best support maemo then talk to the various GNU/Linux distributors that most closely mimic maemo. They probably use GNU/GCC/GTK+/Gnome as environment for most programs, so talk to them to see how gcj, java-gnome, etc fit in there. This is probably the area were there is the most interest since lots of people already work on a GNU/Linux platform with gtk+ so this is the most attractive option to get the broadest support. On the GNU Classpath mailinglist we coordinate how best to support all the various environments build on top of GNU Classpath. If your talks with the people/projects above lead to some interesting technical issues on how we can improve GNU Classpath to better support such environments then please do contact us again and we will try to help. But please experiment a bit first and make sure you have enough experience with the various projects to focus on technical details. > How do you defend people wasting their energy on [Project X], while there is > not a bit of anything in it that is unique. Now this is completely inappropriate for this list. And I even doubt it would be appreciated on the Project X mailinglist. Cheers, Mark -- Escape the Java Trap with GNU Classpath! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html Join the community at http://planet.classpath.org/
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