It is fair for David to remind us that a big part of that the transition is the role of the community in what's being released.
With best will in the world, I suspect that's gonna take some time, so... +1 to the sentiment for frequent releases, even if by Citrix (and +1 to us monitoring/paying attention so that we ensure release management transitions as soon as practical). -A On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, James Kahn <jk...@idea11.com.au> wrote: > David, > > I'm not sure how this fits with the Apache model, but as a user of > CloudStack, I would prefer that Citrix continue to release updates to > 3.0.x until an Apache release is ready. > > Keeping momentum going with releases is important, especially when there > are a few user affecting bugs (e.g. VNC, custom disk sizes) that are being > fixed in master. It would be disappointing if we have to wait 10 months or > so for these to be released. Release early, release often. > > Cheers, > JK. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chip Childers <chip.child...@sungard.com> > Reply-To: "cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org" > <cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org> > Date: Tuesday, 15 May 2012 6:15 AM > To: "cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org" > <cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] releases going forward > >>David, >> >>My 2 cents (and possibly drawing flames myself): >> >>During the transition period (and beyond), Citrix is going to do what it >>needs to do as a commercial entity. While this list is intended to focus >>on the ASF project itself, it's going to take time for an official Apache >>release to be approved. For the purpose of my point, the actual estimate >>doesn't matter much really... shorter, longer or the same as the time it >>took for AOO, it's going to be further off than (I assume) Citrix will >>wait >>to create a commercial release of the Citrix Cloud Platform. >> >>I do think that there is value for the community to hear about the closed >>efforts that Citrix completes (or plans to complete), and would disagree >>with "banning" that type of information from being on this list. As an >>individual that happens to work for Citrix, I don't see any conflict with >>the two hats you wear (as most of us have multiple hats). >> >>However, I would suggest that it be limited to important milestones that >>are being shared more publicly via other channels as well, and should >>probably be clearly noted as being information from Citrix and not ASF. >> >>Examples: share information when you do a commercial release, but not >>when >>a performance test is started by a Citrix QA engineer that's focused on an >>upcoming commercial product release. >> >>I think that sharing public information about Citrix activities on this >>list is a positive for the overall community. It's really no different >>than sharing information about a commercial distributions success in a top >>level Apache project's dev listing. It would be informational only, but >>be >>a positive bit of news for the community as a whole. I assume that >>everyone likes to hear about success stories. >> >>Since this is supposed to be a community owned list, I would hope that (if >>there is consensus on the list) nobody has any issues about information >>being shared that's of interest to the participants! >> >>-chip >> >> >>On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Geoff Higginbottom >>> <geoff.higginbot...@shapeblue.com> wrote: >>> > My concern here is that the roadmap has lots of new features, and we >>>do >>> not want to be waiting 6 months for the next release which was due out >>>in >>> May >>> > >>> > Geoff >>> > >>> >>> >>> A valid point - though it's worth pointing out that the roadmap you >>> are referring to was one from the previous Citrix-governed project >>> (and was largely driven by Citrix-employed product management) - there >>> are no guarantees that the timelines, accepted features, or even >>> version numbers/names will remain the same under Apache governance; as >>> has been repeatedly pointed out - Citrix (or any other corporation) >>> has no standing here - only individuals. >>> >>> --David >>> >>> > >
