> -Network connectivity of the systemVMs. This is still not clearly explained.  
> We need better diagrams, and clear explanation. Maybe a good blog on this 
> would work wonders.

I have a series if diagrams showing the interconnections between the system VMs 
and their networks within CloudStack here as well as some example 
configurations and how it ties together:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/CloudStack+Example+Configurations

It's also a living document so I would welcome any suggestions for changes, 
additions, or any other improvements.  I am also working on my blog (which 
should be up soon) to dive into topics like this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:06 PM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] "Arming" cloudstack supporters in "stack war" 
bakeoffs....


On Jan 23, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Alex Huang <alex.hu...@citrix.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I like to discuss with the community how we can best "arm" cloudstack 
> supporters in "stack war" bakeoffs.  This is due to Ilya's email thread.  I 
> think his question and others like it will be repeated often.  The community 
> suggested an objective process to evaluate the various stacks: bakeoffs, 
> which I'm supportive of.  But it make sense that people don't just enter into 
> these bake-offs blind.   We should provide them with the information, 
> experience and process to properly conduct cloudstack in these bakeoffs.  
> However, I'm not sure what's the right combination to provide.  So I like to 
> start this topic to see what the community thinks.
> 
> I asked this during cloudstack-meeting and Chip suggested Dave's runbook.  
> That's a good starting point.  Is there any other suggestions?
> 

Alex,

I believe the runbook was not updated after the 4.0 release, so it needs 
patching. I also think it describes an advanced zone.

>From my recent experience folks who try CloudStack struggle with:

-Basic vs. Advanced. Some folks dive straight into advanced and hit the wall on 
vlans.

-Network connectivity of the systemVMs. This is still not clearly explained.  
We need better diagrams, and clear explanation. Maybe a good blog on this would 
work wonders.

-If you have existing DHCP,DNS services how do you deploy cloudstack with it. 
This is a typical case at universities, where students don't have access to the 
network. They just have couple boxes with static IPs and no VLANS. 

-Documentation issues. Some folks on Ubtuntu have been hit with 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-460 which is patched in 
master, but not reflected in the deb on the repo. We need to check our 
processes to update blockers like these faster.


-Finally, DevCloud. It's a great tool, but has limitations (ttylinux) and like 
Mike is facing now, if you have not followed the threads on devcloud over the 
last 6 months, you may not have a clear picture of how to use it.

-sebastien

> There's a top level section in our wiki that makes sense for this.  After we 
> come up with the right combination, we can update the wiki and continue to 
> update the wiki with more information.
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Newbie
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --Alex
> 

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