On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Leo De Marco <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Te contesto algunas que me las se…
>
>
>
> - Supuestamente son mas rapidos que todos. Pero, cuando le pregutamos sobre
> benchmarks o "cuanto" mas rapido eran, la respuesta fue que era info
> sensible y que solo se lo decían a sus clientes
>
> Por lo que se hasta 4 veces mas rapido que vs, pero eso fue con la vm v1,
> no se la actual
>
>
>

Pero yo estaba interesado en comparaciones con otras vm/dialectos como VW,
Cog y Gemstone.


> - La VM soportaría varios lenguages. No sólo dialectos Smalltalk, pero sino
> otros lenguajes. Onda como podes hacer un connector para Ruby en
> Gemstone....lo que deberias hacer es el bytecode transofrmation creo, no
> estoy seguro.
>
> aca esta la explicacion: http://www.dng.st/gvm.htm lo interesante me
> parece es que va a bancar MSIL, eso para muchas empresas y no empresas creo
> que es algo interesante y valioso para plataformas windows
>

ok, gracias por el link.

saludos

mariano


>
>
> A ver si logramos sacarles una version para la popu! jajaja
>
>
>
> abrazo,
>
> Leo
>
>
>
> *De:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *En nombre de *Mariano Martinez Peck
> *Enviado el:* jueves, 22 de julio de 2010 07:12 a.m.
> *Para:* [email protected]
> *Asunto:* Re: [clubSmalltalk] RV: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London
>
>
>
> Yo estuvo ahí en la charla. James Robertson la filmó, así que subirá el
> video a su sitio (si ya no lo hizo).
>
> La verdad es que la charla estuvo buena, pero hasta ahí nomas. O sea,
> comentaron las ventajas y las cosas buenas que tiene. Pero...no comentaron
> nada a nivel técnico ni implementativo.
> Lo peor (pobre) fue que Frank estaba muy enfermo y sin voz...
>
> Claramente tienen una visión totalmente distinta a la mía, pero la acepto
> completamente. Les tiro las puntas que YO entendí:
>
> - No es, ni nunca va a ser open-source
> - Supuestamente son mas rapidos que todos. Pero, cuando le pregutamos sobre
> benchmarks o "cuanto" mas rapido eran, la respuesta fue que era info
> sensible y que solo se lo decían a sus clientes
> - Supuestamente la migración es posta, facil y anda
> - La VM soportaría varios lenguages. No sólo dialectos Smalltalk, pero sino
> otros lenguajes. Onda como podes hacer un connector para Ruby en
> Gemstone....lo que deberias hacer es el bytecode transofrmation creo, no
> estoy seguro.
> - Multithread and multiprocess
> - The VM is written in Assembly, not C.
> - Only windows for the moment, but just because they clients run windows.
> They said everything will be on demand, when someone pays. If a client wants
> Linux, they will do it. If the client wants a multithredaded debugger, they
> will do it....etc
> - Podrias tener varias imagenes, incluso de dialectos distintos, corriendo
> en cpus o thredas distintos, y enviarse mensajes de uno a otro.
>
> bueno, eso es mas o menos lo que yo entendí. Tal vez la realidad sea un
> poco parecida ;)
>
> Saludos
>
> Mariano
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Me suena muy raro que no hayan publicado tan importante anuncio en la
> lista de Dolphin, como que tampoco se haya hablado del tema en la
> "twittosfera".
>
> El hermetismo no me cae muy simpático, será cuestion de SEGUIR
> esperando, y tal vez para fin de año se abra la caja de Pandora.
>
> Saludos.
>
>
> Esteban A. Maringolo
>
>
> 2010/7/21 Leo De Marco <[email protected]>
>
> >
> > Para los que esten en Londres!
> >
> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > De: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-
> > > [email protected]] En nombre de Alejandro F. Reimondo
> > > Enviado el: miércoles, 21 de julio de 2010 08:57 a.m.
> > > Para: [email protected]
> > > Asunto: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > After weeks of work in Berlin and committing important bussiness in
> > > England,
> > >  my partner Frank Lesser and me attended Camp Smalltalk London [1].
> > > We made at the Camp the first presentation about our
> > >  Next Generation platform [2].
> > > We had full audience! It is really nice to see how much
> > >  smalltalkers are interested in facing a fresh future for smalltalk!
> > >
> > > We have shown our VM running and made an informal presentation
> > >  of some low level details of the platform and promoted conversation
> > >  about what we call the next Generation of Smalltalk technology,
> > >  how it can impact in smalltalk world and the benefits of the business
> > >  plan I designed in the last years that make real zero cost portability
> > >  technically possible between smalltalk platforms (and other).
> > > Frank have shown slides related with the history of our enterprise,
> > >  also some information about previous VMs and commented about the
> > >  limitations imposed by choosing intermediate languages (like C)
> > >  in our old VMs, and a few words about features that was possible
> > >  to implement in our new version of the VM (we have released version
> > > 2.0)
> > >  with our assembler to build the VM (speed matters but it is
> > >  not the only reason to use our ASM). [3]
> > > I talked about our compromise with Smalltalk History and how
> > >  it was considered in the design of our strategy to face the near
> > > future,
> > >  also talked about our inmediate plans and how our VM can be used
> > >  to host simultaneously diferent smalltalk platform without loosing
> > >  perfomance and exchanging information.
> > > We also shown at the camp the Expresso framework and how
> > >  VSE applications run hosted by our VM in minutes.
> > >
> > > We will make the next presentations of the platform in our Event in
> > >  Tarvisio (Italy) at end of September of this year.
> > > Contact us if your company is interested in our technology
> > >  and/or you want to attend the event this year [4], we need
> > >  to know in advance how much people will attend and
> > >  also send you information and conditions we need to
> > >  agree to use our platform at the event.
> > > The Tarvisio event is designed to understand, explore and try
> > >  our platform from the inside. This year we will make focus on
> > > workshops
> > >  to exploit the new features, try integration frameworks and as usual
> > > (the
> > > most
> > >  important topics...) migration and maintenance.
> > > The workshop on VM internals, migration and new features are included
> > >  as in the Round-0 event last year. [5]
> > >
> > > I wish to thank the excellent care and kindness of the people of
> > > Pinesoft,
> > >  Cincom, ESUG and Instantiations.
> > > We ahve had dinner at the ABSOLUTE Icebar (soponsored by Cincom)
> > >  but couldn't enter in the Icenbar because Frank was ill and we needed
> > >  to return hotel. Hope will be another opportunity soon to visit! :-)
> > >
> > > Also a big thank to James Robertson that made us a postcast
> > >  we are anxious and waiting for the media for people
> > >  that could'nt be there.
> > > James made a montage of the entire Camp Smalltalk event [6].
> > >
> > > with best regards,
> > > Ale.
> > >
> > > [1] http://cslondon2010.eventbrite.com/
> > > [2] http://www.dng.st
> > > [3] http://www.dng.st/gvm.htm
> > > [4] http://www.dng.st/impressum.htm
> > > [5] http://www.dng.st/tarvisio_2009_report.htm
> > > [6] http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView
> > >
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