Howdy,

saw this thread and thought I'd add my 2 cents. There is a product
called webmin that runs with most flavors of linux and BSD that provides
a web based interface for configuration of a system (including server
components). I have had experience with it (and many linux admins I know
swear by it). I happened to note that it will ocnfigure QMAIL and
Postfix.

For this product to work you need one of the common distros (with a
graphical browser), download webmin, install it. The GUI is web based
(hence webmin), and by default listens to port 10000. Point your web
browser to it log in, and configure to your hearts content.

I will admit, that the one thing lacking is configuring SAMBA to be a
PDC for a windows environment. It can be done through webmin, but not
intuitvely (One of the few compnents I still admin from the command
line).

Mike

On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 01:15, Shawn wrote:
> Was reading through the thread "Linux Work" and thought the reasons why I went with 
>a windows server might be pertinent here...
> 
> I needed a web, ftp, and email server, as well as routing/NAT capability.  I went 
>the Linux path first because it's free, and I like the concept of open source and 
>collaboration among developers.  However, either I didn't have the patience to learn 
>things right, or maybe I'm a little dense (can be sometimes), but I could not 
>understand what was involved in getting postfix up and running.  Postfix on it's own 
>wasn't too much of a hassle, but it wasn't enough for me to connect my mail client to 
>and start receiving mail.  I spent my spare time over a period of two weeks trying to 
>figure this out, without much luck.  I know that if I had been more focused, I would 
>have been successful.
> 
> On the other hand, I knew I could install Win2K, IIS, and Exchange in an afternoon.  
>I did so and was sucessful.  My email server is operational and I'm sending/receiving 
>email through it no problem (except of course when I turn it off and forget to turn 
>it back on....).
> 
> The deciding factor here was partially my own experience with Windows servers, and 
>the fact that I only had to install ONE package to get my email running.  I didn't 
>have to worry about an MTA, then a POP3 or IMAP server, then tweak a bunch of 
>configuration files, and THEN try to get my mail client talking to the server and 
>hope it was running right.  One package, and about 5 or 10 minutes of configuring the 
>mail server.  That's the primary reason I'm on a Windows server right now.  When 
>Linux can offer a simple install of it's server components, with a GUI interface (or 
>even a command line menu system) to configure the components, then I think you'll see 
>Linux fly.  As it is, the installs are still TOO technical for the general public - 
>most users are lost when faced with a command line, and so are a large number of 
>techs (mostly the newer/younger crowd I'd imagine - less exposure to DOS and such).
> 
> I believe in Linux, but don't think it's ready for the desktop yet - the 
>applications for it just can't compete at the same level as Windows (typical office 
>applications), in terms of ease of use, limited computer skill required, and overall 
>user experience.  On the server end, I think Linux is mostly there - if you have 
>experienced linux professionals on hand.  If not, the learning curve isn't as steep 
>for Windows servers (ignoring the common material such as network theory, routing, 
>etc.)
> 
> I expect this is Flame material, but here's the objective thoughts of one person 
>straddling the divide between Open source, and Microsoft...  Sure, I'm expecting 
>people to tell me that there ARE gui interfaces, and that I must not know Linux very 
>well, but the choice is easy for me... "What's the quickest way for me to get the job 
>done?"  For me, it was the windows route.  Although I'm still going to be working 
>with Linux occasionally, and see if I can make it work the way I need.
> 
> (btw, the other factor for going with Windows was that I wanted to mess around with 
>.NET, and MONO isn't reliable enough or complete enough yet).
> 
> My thoughts, not yours....
> 
> Shawn
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Michael Petch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CApp::Sysware Consulting Ltd.

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