RE: (clug-talk) Suggestions? (was RE: (clug-talk) Problems with M SWorld Domination)

[Andrew Barnes]

Title: RE: (clug-talk) Suggestions? (was RE: (clug-talk) Problems with MS World Domination)

I agree with Aaron - it all depends on the job and what you have to work with.   JSP is IMO available to those who have access to fully administer their server - either a personal off a residential line, or co-location/rackspace.  There was more PHP hosting solutions that fill the middle field then JSP last I checked, besides being more cost effective - just depends on the details.   I work with JSP, PHP, and recently learnt a bit of ASP - haven't used ColdFusion, probably will some time.  I prefer PHP or JSP to ASP, just depends on budget for between JSP and PHP J   For JBuilder, I see few who move off the crutches it provides.  I'm not saying you are one of those, just that it's a double edged sword.   Andrew   -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:21 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: (clug-talk) Suggestions? (was RE: (clug-talk) Problems with M S World Domination)   Thanks for the input.   Yep, I'm after experience with JSP - I can see this becoming a required skill in web development.  Right now I work mostly with ColdFusion, and advanced _javascript_ (custom classes and such).  I think PHP has it's place, but most medium/large businesses won't be using it (my thoughts).   I never did like the "WYSIWYG" development tools that build code for you, and have never used JBuilder like that.  I did like it's editor though, with regards to Java at least.  It IS handy though to have a tool that can drop in some code for you when you are working with a new language - it facilitates the learning process....   Shawn -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:34 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: (clug-talk) Suggestions? (was RE: (clug-talk) Problems with M S World Domination) IMO, JSP is a bit much for small server/low volume... unless you just want the experience of working with it.  PHP, though it has it's vulnerabilities, is a little easier to install and work with while providing similar functionality.  Just depends what your motivations are... Tomcat from what I've heard is better to deal with for JSP - easier to install, and JBoss is/was a little lacking on the documentation.  But you will want to install Tomcat for use with Apache, not standalone. I detest JBuilder :) I've seen it put in too much unnecessary code, package what didn't need to be and is a pain if you want to re-use code because it puts everything into packages.  I haven't used any other Java IDE that I can think of right now, but I had heard of JEdit - for Windows, TextPad is good though - very easy to add in Java compiler support after you've installed the SDK. Just my .02, Andrew   -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Nikitiuk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (clug-talk) Suggestions? (was RE: (clug-talk) Problems with MS World Domination)   For database, I think I'd prefer Postgres - everything I've heard about MySql makes me think it's to databases what MS Access is.  Whereas Postgres seems to be more on par with Oracle/MS SQL Server. I read in an article something that said exactly what you mentioned here. He indicated that Postgre focuses on standards compliancy and parallel itself to Oracle.  I believe it was originally developed out of a leading enterprise-level SQL database in the mid-90's.  But the interview said that MySQL is very similar to Access and is quite popular for web-based applications. The J2EE platform is an unknown to me.  I have limited experience in Java/JSP, but am aware of some of the packages.  Would Tomcat or JBoss be the better choice? (small server, low volume) - also I'd hope that my experiences here would be of use at work where we deal with large and small companies....  Oh, and what about the development tool?  I'll be sticking with my Win2K workstation for now and will likely use JBuilder - does it behave well with Tomcat/JBoss? Did you check at Sun Micrososytems (www.sun.com) for this kind of stuff?  I believe they have an open osource J2EE platform, but I could be wrong. Cameron