On Thursday 29 June 2006 15:22, Gustin Johnson wrote: > Curtis Sloan wrote: > > On Thursday 29 June 2006 14:37, Gustin Johnson wrote: > >> The problem is that when I send email, I do so directly from my mail > >> server. I use SMTP Auth secured with TLS. I do this because I make use > >> of SPI for a number of the domains I host. I also avoid issues with my > >> ISP's mail system (Shaw has a long history of unexplained mail delays). > > > > <snip> > > > >> Of course, this discussion would be far different if the ISPs blocked > >> the default ssh port, how many here would support that? > > > > They're not blocking outbound SMTP, they're proxying it. Yes, it would > > be disturbing if they did the same thing with SSH. I would rather not > > have SMTP or SSH handled in this way. However, I believe Shaw's ToS > > explicitly says they do not allow these types of servers. It's more Shaw > > turning a "blind eye" that allowed it to date. If you don't like it... > > Actually the servers themselves are run on commercial pipes whose ToS is > written for servers. What Shaw has done is prevent an end user from > using a mail server other than their own.
I thought of this aspect after clicking "Send". If this is the case, then it seems that Shaw is breaking their own ToS by forcing the relay (sorry, proxy was a bad term to use). What exactly do they think server means? > From the end user point of view, Shaw has blocked outgoing because > security is a concern for a number of my clients (the lawyers in > particular) I have the TLS only option checked, which Shaw does not > support. Thus the proxied connection fails. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of P2P "servers" will go unchecked on the residential service, happily spreading viruses via what I believe is by far the more active infection vector (P2P vs. SMTP these days). Why not just monitor the SMTP traffic on a "servers-allowed" network block that people have paid for the privilege of using, and if a server appears "rogue" (i.e. infected or spamming) contact the administrator. I thought that's how it used to work? Are the rules really becoming so Draconian that you don't get what you don't get what you pay for? Curtis S. _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
