As a relatively new Newbie im getting a kick out of Juans comment about Linux. I guess that if you don't like it....... why are you still using it???
I have been using linux for about a year now. I have probably got 25 different distributions in my cd case and have installed them on 3 of my laptops and 2 of my desktops and have also been able to get a couple of my friends on them. Any one else have 25 different distro's of windows at their disposal?? Probably not. Oh ya, I forgot.... they don't have that many. Linux has many more than that. I have tried several different distro's on each of my laptops and some worked better than others. If I would be a computer guru , I would be able to take any one of those distros and have it working like a well oiled clock. But reality for me is that I will never be a computer guru. Its not my forte. But you know..... im learning a lot just by reading the comments and advice on this clug post. There are some very intelligent people on this site that know a lot about Linux and probably more about windows than mugibar (whom I would talk to out of probably India because Microsoft is outsourcing everything.) if I phoned a Microsoft rep for some help on a windows system. And than would even need to pay some serious money for help that was poor to begin with. I remember when I started with Linux and posted an add on this site that I even had a fellow called szmir He actually called me, That's right..... called me to help me and get me going. He was patient and extremely helpful in my ignorance. Good luck with that on windows. So, as a non computer guru who has been at 1 meeting, Thanx to all of you who have given me advice over the year or so. Its been great. I posted a question about apt-get and how I have a 2gig eeepc running pimped out zandros and an other 4 gig eeepc running easy peasey 1.0 and would like to get firefox 3.0 atleast on both of these. Will apt-get do the job on both of these and if so, how is best that I do this as I hav'nt done this before. Good luck to juan and any other windows user to get advice just for the asking and meeting some people who make a great contribution to the community at large and actually love doing it. Juan....... if you don't like Linux, use windows. Dan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: clug-talk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 21 Send clug-talk mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of clug-talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Linux Blows...and Sucks (TekBudda) 2. Re: GNU/Linux Blows...and Sucks (Shawn) 3. Here is a challenge (Juan Alberto Cirez) 4. GNU/Linux Blows...and Sucks (Juan Alberto Cirez) 5. GNU/Linux Blows...and Sucks (Juan Alberto Cirez) 6. inspired by Linux Blows and Sucks (Michael John Walters) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:40:29 -0600 From: TekBudda <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Linux Blows...and Sucks To: CLUG General <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I know...pretty cheeseball replying to my own post but as soon as I hit send I had another thought run through my mind, that I feel speaks to this thread. I am sure everyone has heard of & maybe seen a movie called "The American President." In one scene there is a heated debate between the president, Michael Douglas, and his senior domestic policy advisor, Michael J. Fox. Fox is trying to convince the president to be more aggressive, and he says with great passion: [People] want leadership. They?re so thirsty for it they?ll crawl through the desert toward a mirage and when they discover there?s no water, they?ll drink the sand. The president responds coolly, People don?t drink the sand because they?re thirsty; they drink the sand because they don?t know the difference. And just to throw an interesting spin on the whole thing. I came across a verse from the Bible...yes the Bible that kind of deals with this. And please no flames...just hear me out first. The verse is Deuteronomy 8:7-18. A blog that I read on this section puts it better then I could. Scene: Moses is giving his parting speech to the Isrealites in the desert. ?We are standing right at the brink of the promised land,? he says to a skeptical crowd. "Wonders await you that you can?t imagine: abundant water, fruit growing on every tree, and land that will yield food when you plant and riches when you dig. I?m scared for you, though, because I?ve noticed you have a nasty habit of forgetting God. ?Just before we crossed the Red Sea you started complaining that it would be easier to go back to Egypt, and barely had it begun flowing again before you were complaining about water and food, wishing you had died and not trusting God. Even when God gave you bread from heaven you wouldn?t trust that it would come again. And of course, we can?t forget how I found you worshipping a golden calf when I came down from the mountain where I received the covenant for you. ?God has been forgiving so far, but we must all realize that we stand at a new place, and we must think about how far we have been brought and how much has been given to us. If we forget, there is a cost we certainly cannot afford.? An interesting parallel huh? If you look at it with an open mind... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:40:46 -0600 From: Shawn <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [clug-talk] GNU/Linux Blows...and Sucks To: CLUG General <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hmm.. I think I got a little side tracked in my rebuttal.. :) Juan, my goal here is not to tell you to get stuffed. Rather, you have made a declaration but the arguments supporting that declaration seem weak. I'd like to see you be able to make your declaration with a stronger standing. OR, perhaps upon investigating the foundations of your statement perhaps you might come to realize the statement is wrong, or not accurate. Either way will result in a more solid foundation for your statement (or revised statement), which will carry more authority with the die-hards. :) Shawn Shawn wrote: > Juan Alberto Cirez wrote: >> For the last time: TO THE AVERAGE USER WINDOWS IS EASIER TO USE. >> GNU/Linux on the server space is the $**t; but as a Desktop it >> blows...and sucks > > Juan, you continue to ignore the evidence/situations presented to you > that demonstrate that an "AVERAGE USER" is fine with Linux. You > continue to ignore the fact that we are DISCUSSING this with you. You > continue to ignore the request for more concrete support than a known > biased IDC article that really has no bearing on LINUX DESKTOP (the > article and stats are about netbook usage/sales - not Linux Desktops. > Not the same thing). ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:48:37 -0600 From: Juan Alberto Cirez <[email protected]> Subject: [clug-talk] Here is a challenge To: CLUG General <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Here is a challenge: Take a trip to your local Office Depot and grab some peripherals at random (printer, network cards, etc.) see how many of these devices will work right out of the box in both Windows and GNU/Linux; then see how easy and/or intuitive would be to "get everything to work" in both OS. GNU/Linux is a superb operating system. No one(specially me) disputes that; but at the same time one would be hard pressed to say the above experiment would be easier to accomplish under GNU/Linux. I realize we will not agree; but to call me a troll simply because I challenge some misguided dogma that equates questioning GNU/Linux to blasphemy is highly offensive. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* = Juan Alberto Cirez CFAA/CFAT, AFSA/CFAT-CFET,CIPS/ISP, ASTTBC/CFET, CHI(e) Sr. Field Service Technician/Project Manager J. A. Cirez Integrated Technologies, Inc Fire Protection | IT Services | Security | Home Inspections | Consulting Tel. : (780)972-4739 Fax : (780)747-6078 Email: [email protected] Web : http://www.jacintech.com =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* = ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:59:48 -0600 From: Juan Alberto Cirez <[email protected]> Subject: [clug-talk] GNU/Linux Blows...and Sucks To: CLUG General <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Shawn, *yawn* -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* = Juan Alberto Cirez CFAA/CFAT, AFSA/CFAT-CFET,CIPS/ISP, ASTTBC/CFET, CHI(e) Sr. Field Service Technician/Project Manager J. A. Cirez Integrated Technologies, Inc Fire Protection | IT Services | Security | Home Inspections | Consulting Tel. : (780)972-4739 Fax : (780)747-6078 Email: [email protected] Web : http://www.jacintech.com =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* = ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:01:38 -0600 From: Juan Alberto Cirez <[email protected]> Subject: [clug-talk] GNU/Linux Blows...and Sucks To: CLUG General <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Shawn, *yawn* I've burnt enough brain cells (in a pointless pursuit) for one day *yawn* -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* = Juan Alberto Cirez CFAA/CFAT, AFSA/CFAT-CFET,CIPS/ISP, ASTTBC/CFET, CHI(e) Sr. Field Service Technician/Project Manager J. A. Cirez Integrated Technologies, Inc Fire Protection | IT Services | Security | Home Inspections | Consulting Tel. : (780)972-4739 Fax : (780)747-6078 Email: [email protected] Web : http://www.jacintech.com =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* = ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:05:49 -0600 From: Michael John Walters <[email protected]> Subject: [clug-talk] inspired by Linux Blows and Sucks To: CLUG General <[email protected]> Message-ID: <1247202349.3058.43.ca...@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Hello all, I have been reading the "Linux blows and sucks" thread and it inspired me to get down to two specifics, as requested by one of the thread responders. These two applications are both Linux applications, so it is not a comment on windows versus Linux, but rather a comment on the habits some windows users have that one of these applications seems to be catering to (pardon the dangling participle). Amarok automatically starts the first track when it is opened and when the player is shut down, it always selects fade feature. Sound Juicer does neither of these things, but requires on start up to choose which track to play. If you want the first track to play, you just select play and the first track is started. But if say track 7 is your favourite track, you can select that right away by double clicking on it. Not only does Sound Juicer not automatically choose fade option, I did not even notice a fade option in the menu. It might be there somewhere in the menu if I looked for it, but the fade option in Amarok is just a nice little novelty to play with for a while, but one eventually gets tired of it and therefore when I went to sound juicer I did not miss it enough to look for possible ways to use it in Sound Juicer. Amarok seems to cater to people who want things done for them, so that when it starts up it automatically plays the first track. But sometimes I want to select my tracks in the order I want to hear them that day, which may change from day to day. Sound Juicer lets me do that without cancelling an automatic track one play mode. You just double click each track you want to hear when you want to hear it. And with all that automatic action on the part of Amarok, Amarok uses more resources than Sound Juicer. So, over time, I have come to love Sound Juicer more than Amarok, especially after the novelty of automatic fade wore off. Now when I want to play a CD, I always use Sound Juicer and never use Amarok. That being said, there may be people out there who prefer automatic fade and automatic first track playing. So Linux offers Amarok to those kinds of people. Then there are people like me who prefer more control rather than novelty. Linux offers Sound Juicer for people like me. So Linux offers a choice. Windows often does not offer a choice, so it is refreshing to see that Linux does offer a choice. One Windows application I like is Excel spread sheets. They allow one to use gigantic charts filling the whole page. Open office does not allow that yet. But I have seen open office to change dramatically from Open Office 2.0 to Open Office 2.4. So I am patiently waiting for Open Office developers to offer a similar choice in the future. But I got two viruses when I was running Windows and it is great not to have to worry about viruses. So I am willing to put up with puny charts until the developers decide to offer bigger charts. The loss of bigger charts is more than offset by Linux not being as vulnerable as Windows. And on the other side, my brother Mel says that as Microsoft responds to customer complaints, the new Windows is not as vulnerable as the old versions of Windows, so even Microsoft can improve its security at least a little bit. The difference is that Linux did it years before Microsoft did it, and at no cost to passive users. The main reason I did not let developers know that I wanted the option of using big charts in Open Office is that I have been too busy having fun with other applications such as sound juicer and evolution and ice weasel and firefox which are far superior to Internet Explorer and Outlook Express and the windows email client whose name I can not remember because I have not used Windows in such a long time. I also am having fun with epiphany. There are features in firefox and epiphany which are complementary. What is wrong in firefox is right in epiphany. And what is wrong in epiphany is right in firefox. Similarly Evolution and Kmail are similarly complementary. But they are all good applications. I just happen to prefer Evolution and ice weasel most of the time. I have not had much time to play around with epiphany, but I have used it a couple of times. So for browsers Linux offers three choices - epiphany, firefox, and ice weasel. I am going to set aside some more time to explore epiphany. As you can see, I spend more time exploring Linux Applications than complaining about perceived shortcomings of some of those applications. I would rather spend my time exploring than complaining. Tomorrow I have specifically put exploring epiphany on my to do list on my daily agenda. Regards, Michael ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca End of clug-talk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 21 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
