On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Juan Alberto Cirez <[email protected]>wrote:

> Let me be the devil's advocate and say that while I welcome Microsoft
> acknowledgment that OSS is worthy of concern for their bottom line; I will
> also recognize Microsoft role in making what OSS (and GNU/Linux
> specifically) is today. Had it not been for Microsoft (and IBM) we may not
> have had the PCs and Open Source Software.



Before I say anything else, I started my degree in the 1980's and have been
watching the tech world since DEC had the Dec-20 as their main system.  When
I started being interested in personal computers the SWTP-80, the NorthStar
and the Altair 8080 were what to get.  I actually programmed a Honeywell
DPS-6000 (one of the first systems that hosted the PCC, the portable C
Compiler).  I watched as UNIX made its mark on history.  The first UNIX I
had my hands on was System III on a AT&T 3B5.

Juan, just as in the last thread that you started, you have just made a
sweeping assertion that you have not backed with any argument to support
that assertion.  I'm not saying that you are wrong, just that the statement
is unsupported.

Again, I don't want to start a flame war, but I see it differently.  Way
back before the the internet was commercialized there was USENET that was
mostly a loosely connected web of computers that used  modems and the phone
system to spread information.  One thing programmers did with USENET was to
share code that was usually packaged into uuencoded tar files.  This was
back in the 1980's.

Above I mentioned the Portable C Compiler.  That tarball was available from
USENET from the inception of UNIX.  That was the original C compiler that
UNIX was compiled with on a new machine.

This even before the GPL and Richard Stallman.  Most of the packages were
available for anyone to modify the code or use it as they pleased.  It was
understood that you were to share any modifications back to the community.

It is in this spirit that Torvalds sent his historic message out in 1991,
saying here's his little project, it probably won't amount to much.  If you
like it and fix any bugs then he wants to be the clearing house for
modifications etc.

Immediately Linux grew wildly.  I was in the University of Lethbridge at the
time and the first time I booted Linux was in a University lab on a PC in
1992!  At the time in that lab I saw all my classmates just overjoyed at
what they were looking at (at a University that small the number of CS grads
numbered around 15, everybody knew everybody in CS!).  I heard at least 3
say they were going to try it out at home and see what they could do with
it.

In the intervening years I have seen project after project attempt to fill
in for what is missing to make Linux a viable day to day platform for
general computing.  What I see happening is that people see what is missing
and see what they can do to fill the missing parts.  That happened to word
processors.  That happened to Desktop Environments, also with browsesrs and
with many other application areas.

Linux had another advantage.  The person managing it stated that the way to
get modifications accepted was through meritocracy.  It is largely through
his deft management of contributions that we are have this thread about
Linux rather than one of the BSD's.  Licencing it under the GPL also had a
part in that.

That is how Linux grew and that is what I have seen.  It would have happened
regardless of which other systems were popular simply because people want a
free (as in speech) OS that they can rely on.  It is really the fulfillment
of Richard Stallman's visions that came out of the community of generous
coders that were on USENET years ago!

BTW!  That is how you support a statement.
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