The problems being discussed are NOT really KDE specific issues.
Instead they are Distribution packaging issues, or external applications
running on KDE. Bear with me and I'll explain....
On the basis of this experience I conclude that kde 3.5.10 is a lot
better that kde 4.1.4. This conclusion is based on the behaviour of two
features of kde; konqueror as a file manager and the panel (aka task bar).
KDE 4.1 should NOT be used as a comparison. It is a full two
generations out of date. At 4.2, KDE became a whole lot more stable and
useful, and KDE 4.3 even more so. A lot of features people felt were
missing in the 4.0/4.1 releases have been addressed. (disclaimer, I
haven't used Konq as a file manager for quite some time - I'm using
Dolphin instead, which seems to easily address the points Richard
mentioned - in 4.2+ at least.)
I've noticed for a while now that KDE will announce a feature, but
*buntu packages are a generation or three behind and often not quite
right. Anytime I've had a problem with KDE (recently, 4.2+), I notice
that it seems to only be a problem on *buntu. For this reason, my
laptop is now running Fedora (but may change to openSuse) simply so I
try out other distros and see if I can figure out what they do different
with regards to KDE.
Basically, I'm frustrated with having to wait for the so called "stable"
packages to be introduced into the current repositories. Ubuntu in
particular seems to only move to the latest with it's 6 month release
cycle. While KDE 4.3 has been available for a couple months now, I'm
expected to wait until October and Karmic Koala before I see it in the
standard repositories. (I'm ignoring adding a repository and upgrading
manually - which I have done.)
So, while the frustrations expressed in this thread are by all means
valid, let's point them where they need to be pointed - the distribution
packagers, and the third party tools (I consider Amarok 2.0 a different
app than the 1.4 version - there are just toooo many inconsistencies
between them). While Amarok is a "KDE app", it has it's own team and
the core KDE developers are not responsible for it.
But, if you are running a very recent version of KDE (4.3+ at this
time), and encounter a bug or missing feature, of course that needs to
be addressed to the KDE team... But the issues I've heard thus far have
mostly been addressed already and the distros just haven't kept up.
My thoughts.
Shawn
Here is a list of things that can be done with the panel under kde
3.5.10 which cannot be done under kde 4.1.4
1. Easily change the appearance: e.g.the size of the icons, the names of
icons
2. Easily add icons for applications (both kde and non kde apps) to the
panel
3. Discover what an icon (both kde and non kde apps) on the panel refers
to by hovering the pointer over it.
Here is a list of things konqueror 3.5.10 will do as a file manager that
konqueror 4.1.4 can't do or does badly.
1. Highlight a list of adjacent file or folders by outlining with the
pointer then dragging and dropping them in another location.
2. Displaying an icon on the tool bar that when clicked, and the open
folder contains jpeg,files allows easy viewing of the images.
3. Version 3.5.10 automatically puts an icon on the panel that opens
konqueror as a file manager with the home folder, or the last folder
opened, shown With version 4.1.4 this requires more steps.
Robin
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
bogi wrote:
> So, you would guess, i use KDE, and KDE4 as of late.
> And in general, i am OK with it. It is a totally new environment,
but i can,
> and will get used to it.
> Now to the gritty parts.
>
> Migration:
> First , since some distros dont ship kde4 as the default,
or also ship kde3,
> they mostly use .kde for kde3 and .kde4 for kde4 ... now the
moment you switch
> from say kde3 to 4 , either voluntarily or forcibly all your
application
> settings mail passwords just to think of a few things are gone.
and for a
> novice user, they are GONE *poof* cant see , cant find , no
solution, no
> suggestion. I am quite sure, a situation like this can be
mitigated without a
> lot of hassle, but it is not being addressed at the moment.
>
My biggest problem with KDE 4.x is how the various distros are
presenting it. I personally think Kubuntu has done more harm than good
to the KDE project since switching to KDE 4. My biggest gripe is Amarok
2. It is simply not ready and is missing key functionality like being
able to manage my iPod. You have to add a 3rd party source to apt or
build from scratch in order to get Amarok 1.4 which is pretty fantastic.
By shipping an incomplete 4.x they give an inaccurate picture of the
state of things. Since I am not leaving the Ubuntu or Debian world
anytime soon, I am back to Gnome. Of course I could never live without
some of my favourite kde apps (konsole, konversation, yakuake,
konqueror, krusader, and okular are the most important to me).
<snip>
> So when you make the quantum leap, make sure your .kde folder is
backed up,
> and your file manager is ready to move some files over :-)
This is always a good idea. We all backup the important stuff right?
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