This all sounds encouraging but I'm still anxious to see which version of KDE comes with the next release of Debian.
Robin On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Richard Carter wrote: > > Thanks for your reply Shawn.� I'll try your suggestions but I'm not sure > > I can adjust to "modern approaches".� > > > Change is inevitable, in all aspects of life as far as I can see. > > Anyway, with KDE 4.4 I found that I like Dolphin after all. It seems > that Konqueror was designed to be a browser and the file management > tasks were bolted on. I initially was annoyed but after having used 4.4 > for a month now, I can appreciate where the project is heading and I > actually like these design decisions (these _were_ design decisions > based on HMI research and workflow analysis). > > While I will say that 4.4 is still not 100% of the way to replacing > 3.5.x, for me it is 90% of the way there (and in many ways I like 4.4 > better than the 3.x line). > > I can add icons, even to gtk apps (in fact I have the > gnome-appearance-properties icon on my panel), forward and back works > for me in Dolphin and Konqueror. I am using the KDE PPA on Ubuntu 9.10 > on my main laptop, and the default KDE on my old laptop (currently > running the Lucid aka 10.04 beta). I am very happy, in fact I have now > switched back from Gnome. > > One thing I will say, if you want to use KDE and Ubuntu, do *not* use > Kubuntu aka the KDE that ships with Ubuntu. Ubuntu and their rigid > release schedule and unwillingness to update a release once it is done > does not fit well with the current state of KDE 4. My suggestion is to > either build it yourself, find a PPA of the version that you like (there > are PPAs for 3.5.x and for 4.x), or switch to a distribution that is a > better fit with KDE. > > Good bad or indifferent, it simply is what it is. > > > > Robin > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Shawn <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > I respectfully need to disagree with your assessment of KDE 4.3+. > > �It would seem you are expecting the "old" way of doing things in a > > new system. �If you prefer the old way, KDE 3.5 is still available > > and supported. �KDE 4.x was a conscious departure from those old > > ways (at a code level) to facilitate modern approaches and pave the > > way for easier, more focused usage while still keeping the > > flexibility. �I think they have succeeded, but it does mean some of > > the old apps are no longer the best tool to be using in a KDE 4.x > > environment. > > > > The specific issues you mentioned are mostly addressed via > > applications other than Konqeror. �Dolphin for file management, and > > Gwenview for the image viewer. �Take a look at the various options > > for both and you'll find everything you are looking for, I think. > > �Regarding the task bar, it is not intended to be an application > > launcher, but you can make it do that if you want (add a folder view > > icon, and put your shortcut icons in that folder...) > > > > KDE is not on a 6 month release cycle like Ubuntu is. �So there is a > > disconnect between what version gets included with the more recent > > *buntu. �Not to mention that Kubuntu seems to be the unwanted > > step-child of Ubuntu, and does not get the attention it should. �But > > that is still not a KDE issue. > > > > (all said in a discussion tone. �I do respect your opinion and > views.) > > > > Shawn > > > > > > Richard Carter wrote: > > > > In my somewhat limited experience the choice between kde and > > gnome depends entirely on the version of kde. �A long time ago I > > settled on kde mostly because konqueror was a great file > > manager. �I also found the task bar easy to manage.That's still > > the case for konqueror ver 3.5.9 with kde ver 3.5.10 running on > > my debian desk top. > > But I find kde ver 4.4 on my kubuntu lap top to be quite poor. > > �Konqueror has been emasculated. �It's difficult to move/copy > > blocks of files, there is no longer an image view, the forward > > and back arrows don't work and there is no longer a "settings" > > menu. The task bar is also much less useful with kde 4.4: �it's > > not possible to add icons, especially for non-kde applications > > > > Perhaps the practise of bringing out a new version of kubuntu > > every six months is a mistake. > > > > Robin Carter > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkurnSMACgkQwRXgH3rKGfNBcACePiRXA3ipBNCNXQtbYWU/ci7V > mL0AoIE7wYbr60QghjcEgjoYhZb5C6I/ > =JGKQ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying >
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