If the resident is eligible for Medicaid, there may be options out there
for housing, etc.  I would contact your county social services and tell
them of the issue and let them deal with finding them placement, etc.
Sounds as though they are indigent and are likely to reverse back to
where they were before. 

He is likely to demand bill as he has a warm place to stay with food 3x
per day. 

Brenda W. Chance, RN, RAC-C
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-----Original Message-----
From: karen white [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: notice of non coverage
Importance: High


I have a question for the group. I am on a SCU in a hospital, we have a
resident, 49 years old who has been here for 29 days today. Here for
rehab. History is chronic back pain from mva in past, pain drug
addiction, severe neuropathy, dm, severely obese >450 lbs. Prior level
of function was bedbound (really sofa bound) being cared for by wife who
also was in the mva, and pain drug addiction. She was in drug rehab and
now out.
He has been participating in rehab, is now independent, to supervision
with adl's. Ambulates with walker > 200 feet. Uses toilet, but unable to
cleans self due to old shoulder injury.He has lost weight since here and
in our minds much better than prior level of function.
 Both resident and spouse are now homeless due to being evicted.
Resident has POA and guardian due to his past impaired ability (drug
addiction).He continue to need pain meds but much less than prior to
hospitization. Together resident and wife get disability but medication
expenses are high. They are saying they have no where to go, yet are not
looking, They know how to work the system if you know what I mean.
Talking of separating so he can get Medicaid, etc. We have told him,
wife, POA and guardian that we are planning on discharge on DEC. 3. We
picked this date as both him and his wife get their checks on DEC. 1.
(they had stated they had no money to go anywhere.) Now they are still
complaining that she cannot take care of him.Wife is staying at her
mothers. He is not welcome there. We have given lists of low income
housing, homeless shelters, agencies to assist them. But they are making
no efforts. They say they make to much money for low income housing, but
due to their m
edication expense they can't afford regular housing.

 I have never had to issue a denial letter before and want to make sure
we do it right. Can anyone coach me through this? Are we right in our
determination that he no longer needs our services? And that Medicare
should pay for him to live here. If he refuses to leave what do we do,
do I continue to do MDS's and submit and get refused payment? What
complicates this situation is we are a non-profit religious hospital and
meet lots of resistance. That is how we ended up with him in the first
place, he was in acute care, finished his DRG and no other facility
would take him due to his size. They could not provide care. So rather
than loose money upstairs, he came here.
sorry its so lenghty. KAREN


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