If the 16th is her last day on Medicare, you wouldn't need to do an OMRA. Just issue her a Denial Letter. When she goes back to Medicare (assuming she is within her 30 day window) code it as a 5-day as it is a new Medicare stay. I was incorrect whenI told you to do a Return/Readmit to Medicare. (She would need to actually be discharged for that assessment.) As far as OBRA assessment schedule, if a Quarterly is coming up you can code it as a quarterly, too. However, assuming she'll be weight bearing, a Sig change might be more appropriate.
 
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She had her last day of therapy yesterday the 6th.  We will continue to skill her to the 16th on various nursing loose ends.  UTI, nutrition and setting up a nursing program to continue to reinforce skills learned with rehab including some ambulation in // bars --but at less than a restorative nursing level.  So what do I do on the 16th as the last MDS I did would cover beyond that date.  1. Deny and just not bill starting the 16th and do no MDS?  2. Would the return/readmit to Medicare assesment that I would do around the middle of February be like a 5 day? 3.  All this including weight bearing rehab would be  taking place within max of 90 days from date of admission.
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If she is going to recieve any type of Rehab thru the 16th, then she would not need an OMRA. Remember an OMRA is required when ALL therapy has been D/c'd and resident remains on Medicare. If she has nothing to skill her ( ?any type of nursing observation, etc...) then she would not remain on Medicare. Thus, PPS assessments would stop. When she becomes weight bearing again and is picked up by Rehab, she would need a Return/Readmit to Medicare Assessment. Remember to continue the OBRA assessment schedule
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We are a sub acute attached to an acute care hospital.  So our pts go to another level of care when they leave us.  But we have a very wealthy pt who will be Non Weight Bearing for 6 more weeks.  She is reaching custodial care projected as of the 16th.  So we will issue a denial letter as of that date and she will pay our very high daily rate to stay til she is able to have the external fixator removed from her leg and then go back on Rehab to learn to walk again.
  My question is this:  I guess I need to do an OMRA MDS with an effective date as of the 16th, but it will probably put her in a billable RUG even though we have determined that there will be no skilled need.  How do I do this?  Do I do an MDS and not generate a RUG code?  Or do I not do an MDS?  Do I send an MDS?  When I put her back on Medicare do I do a 5 day MDS? and then a 14? Or do I do something else?  The only time we had a similar situation the pt went to a relatives for care and then came back.  So it was a DC then a readmit to Medicare with a 5 day.  I know LTC facilities do this frequently so I need one of you to tell me what to do.

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