I'm having the same struggle -- with a twist.  My DON expects me to complete accurate 
assessments that reflect what the resident's condition really is BUT I don't have the 
documentation to back it up.  She wants me to know my patients, interview the staff 
and read the chart.  All of this I do --- I've even started coming in at 6 a.m. to 
interview night staff.  I can get days and evenings during the day because I certainly 
don't leave any earlier.  You know, as well as I that you can ask 5 different 
caregivers and get 5 different answers.  If my answers don't match the CNA or nurse 
she interviews then she tries to make me feel like I haven't done my job. Lately, I 
have been told to make a late entry reflecting the resident's actual condition so that 
I can do the MDS to reflect what she thinks it should be.  I have tried == to no avail 
to explain what the look back period means and that when I look at the chart, I have 
to look BACK from the ARD and that an entry after that is useless to me.  I feel like 
it is coming to the point that
 I'm going to be asked directly to document falsely -- it's getting dangerously close 
to that now. If assessments aren't done timely, I am expected to do them before doing 
MDS.  Lassst week, she told me I needed to "quit fighting her".  This from a DON who 
begged me to come to work for her.  Before I took off work for 2 weeks for my 
daughter's wedding )first time in 10 years I showed her the basics in case she needed 
to help my replacement.  Replacement didn't work out so she did them while I was gone. 
 When I came back, I had to correct every single one.  Nevertheless, she is now an MDS 
expert.  I feel like I am being asked to do a job without any tools.  If I am expected 
to do my job, why aren't the nurses expected to do theirs..?  I can't capture what 
isn't documented.  I've given one in=service to nurses on docuemntation for 
information I need for Section G and Section H, our weakest links at present, and 
charting improved.  Am scheduled to do one for CNAs, whenever it is convenient but 
can't pin down a date since it doesn't ap
pear to be a priority.
Guess this really doesn't answer your question.  Guess I didn't realize how much this 
was bothering me.  Hope it is some comfort that someone else is having the same 
problems.

> 
> From: "Annette M. Corn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/02/09 Mon AM 09:02:05 EST
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: FW: Medicaid charting 2nd Request
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Annette M. Corn 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:18 PM
> To: 'Aanac Group ([EMAIL PROTECTED])'
> Subject: Medicaid charting
> 
> 
> After completing a the RUG III, Supporting Documentation and Case Mix
> Reimbursement class that deals with the system for Medicaid and RUG
> reimbursement, our facility has hit a brick wall in regards to the
> documentation. Specifically 7 day 14 day and 30 day(look back period)
> documentation that would support the MDS. We are trying without success
> to get the documentation we need. How has every one been dealing with
> this change? Are you using the same documentation as before? Has anyone
> come up with assessments just for Medicaid documentation and the
> specific look back periods? Are your staff complying? If not then what?
> One thing that stands out from the class was that best way to get
> accurate documentation from the staff for the 7 day look back for ADL's
> is to have only licensed staff document for those 7 days. What is
> everyone doing? If you have any documentation or a  helpful solution I
> would love to hear it or see it. I realize this may be a time consuming
> question but please know your response is appreciated.  I look for this
> information on the website daily and don't see anything which makes me
> think someone's got this figured out. Thanks for your undying support.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

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