Hi Millie,

I haven't heard anything from you in a while. I hope everything is
alright. Please keep in touch, I'm a bit concerned about you.

18's,

Marty

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:50 AM, houtz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Skip.  I really didn't know what to do for a while, but was so upset 
> over it all.  My Home nurse, who is wonderful, called and I literally came 
> apart at that moment telling her what had happened.  She called her 
> supervisor, and now I don't  have to put up with this person any more. I'm 
> not complaining, but I have enough issues on my plate, and this person 
> doesn't have a clue.  Marty always helps me deal with these things and does a 
> great job.  He has become such a good friend and I really trust what he tells 
> me. I know how much he admires you, so that says a lot for you.  Glad that 
> you're doing so well.  It's good to see you on line.
>
> 18's and hugs,
> Millie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Skip Duffie <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:31:13 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Marty and Beth Millie and All
>
> Hi all, hope everyone is having a wonderful, day,.  I was reading the posts 
> here and I must say, if someone made threats to me, I would report it right 
> away.
> I wish to talk on PICC Lines though.  I see so many of us who talk about 
> getting and giving blood that I wonder why your ONC has not ordered PICC 
> Lines.
> I have had one for about 5 years now.  It has made life so much better.  If 
> your interested about getting a PICC line go to UTUBE and search on PICC Line
> insertion, cleaning, removal, and prep.  It does not HURT.  I have had mine 
> changed and it was so simple and quick. . some people seem to clot easy as 
> compared to me
> (platelets 0 - 25) so all they do is put about 5cc anti clotting in each 
> line.  well if your interested as I said go to utube . It is a bit of a 
> bother as, it must be cleaned often, but I have to be in hospital twice 
> weekly, so it is ok for me.
> Be safe all
> Skip Duffie
> DX 1977 ( or when the dead sea was just sick <smile>)
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:22:38 PM, Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Millie,
>>
>>Did I read your post correctly? You say that your therapist threatened you?
>>
>>Well you did the right thing by letting her boss know about it. I would never 
>>put up with anything like that. You may want to consider filing charges with 
>>the agency that governs her employment.
>>
>>At least your going to get someone that you like and shows you some respect.
>>
>>18's,
>>
>>Marty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:42 PM, C.M. Houtz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Jeanie, I do believe
> that you stress to much over your blood work.  If it isn't doing well,
> you'll find out soon enough, and just knowing isn't going to do anything.
> Your doctors are good and let them take care of you  unless you truly feel
> that they aren't doing that.  That is the only time I'd complain.  I
> just went through something terrible with one of the therapists that is
> coming.  I've never liked her, and I just told her boss that I don't want
> her in my house anymore.  She's an over paid idiot.  I won't go into
> it all because I'm still so upset over it all, but think things will work
> out.  If not, I'll just have to figure it all out.  I am tired of her
> threats and it just isn't worth it.  I have another therapist that I love,
> and I believe that she's going to be the one taking over, and I'm fine with
> that.  I told the head nurse that I love every one that's coming
> here, and that it's only the one causing the problems.  When a person
> trying to help you, makes you cry all afternoon, then they're not doing you 
> any
> good.  I'm a strong person, but there's only so much a person can
> take.  Enough about that.  I have handled it and that's what's
> important.
>>>
>>>I do hope that you're
> having a good day, my friend.  I really do try not to worry about things I
> can't do anything about.  What happened today was something I could deal
> with, and I did.  I do believe what Marty says and your mind does control a
> lot of how you're handling this CML.  I need to get rid of the stress in my
> life, and so today I did some of that.  I don't need it and so I'm glad
> that I finally did it.  She has no business working with people that need
> help and she's certainly not helping.
>>>
>>>They're calling for
> possible snow,  Sunday into Monday, but we shall see.  I could live
> without it, that's for sure.  I would love to be in your garden eating all
> of that citrus.  I wouldn't leave.  I love fruit and veggies but love
> them fresh.  Can't get fresher then having them in the yard.  I eat a
> lot of apples here in the Northeast, pears, plums, peaches, raspberries,
> blueberries, etc. etc. and love them so much.  I don't think that there's a
> fruit I don't like.
>>>
>>>You take care of
> yourself, Jeanie.  I just wish you wouldn't worry so much as that isn't
> good for you either.
>>>
>>>Talk to you
> later.
>>>Love &
> Hugs,
>>>Millie
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: [email protected]
>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 11:20  AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Marty and Beth  Millie and All
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Marty, My onc said I was too old for a transplant when I was first  
>>>>dx in 2004, so Gleevec was the answer for me.  It worked a few years and  
>>>>then just quit.  I have a lot of scars in my arms from blood test, but I  
>>>>still smile when they stick the needle in because I know it is one tool 
>>>>that  helped me to fight this CML.
>>>>For those of us who face those blood test regularly, there is always that  
>>>>anticipation of "if my blood ok today?"  And what is neat is that most of  
>>>>the time our blood is ok; but when you have had the relapses I have faced, 
>>>>it  makes a difference in how you face those blood test.  I want to be like 
>>>> Millie, and just worry about today and not the next time my blood is 
>>>>checked.  hehe Thanks Millie for all your uplifting and advice and thanks 
>>>>to all our  CML'ers that are fighting everyday of their lives.
>>>>Marty, I'm glad yours was taken care of and that you are good as far as  
>>>>the CML goes.  Right on about "Cure My Leukemia." AND soon I hope!
>>>>Good luck and Blessings,
>>>>Jeanie<3
>>>>
>>>>In a message dated 3/13/2014 9:39:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>>>[email protected] writes:
>>>>Hi Jeanie,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that your Oncologist is correct. Getting a blood test  every day 
>>>>>would be worse then having it on a scheduled frequency. Can you  imagine 
>>>>>worrying about the results each day?
>>>>>
>>>>>As I have already  mentioned, one day in the not to distant future you 
>>>>>won't have to worry  about getting blood tests because there will finally 
>>>>>be a cure for CML. You  mark my words...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I vividly remember when I first saw my bone marrow transplant  oncologist. 
>>>>>I asked him if he knew what CML stood for. He started to tell me  and I 
>>>>>interrupted him. I said what it meant to me was "Cure My Leukemia" and  he 
>>>>>did!
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course it was through a bone marrow transplant. But,
>     there has been so much done and discovered about this disease and one day 
> it
>     will be "Cure My Leukemia" and it will be done!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>18's,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Marty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:03 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Marty and so good to see you back on.  One of our problems  with CML 
>>>>>>is that we can't get our blood checked everyday to see how its  reacting 
>>>>>>to the meds so we have to try something for a while and then get  it 
>>>>>>checked.  I wish there was a machine that we could use to take our  blood 
>>>>>>daily like a blood glucose machine.  That would be great!
>>>>>>My onc doesn't want to talk about changing doses; he says if it isn't  
>>>>>>broke don't fix it.
>>>>>>Good luck and blessings,
>>>>>>Jeanie<3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a message dated 3/11/2014 8:54:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>>>>>[email protected] writes:
>>>>>>Hi Peg, you seem to have brought up something that is very  interesting. 
>>>>>>"Taking vinegar, lemon juice or even Coke with it first,  before 
>>>>>>increasing it".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If that works and I have no reason  to doubt it, then, I think that 
>>>>>>>everyone that is using it should discuss  it with their Oncologist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, you can see what a wonderful  group this really is. People that have 
>>>>>>>CML all discussing very useful  things to help out each  other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>18's,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Marty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:47 AM, peg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I know how scarey this is for you.
>           No one should have to make choices only between bad and worse!  I
>           don't have much to offer on the problem of elevated CPK. That
>           elevation, not a problem in itself is actually a symptom of a bigger
>           problem, myopathy, where the muscles start breaking down, resulting
>           not only in weakness, but damage to the kidneys.  While I had a
>           multitude of problems on Sprycel, including an auto-immune reaction,
>           Myopathy was not one of them.  However, I did have a serious
>           problem with that on Gleevec.  The answer for me was to stop
>           Gleevec and move on to another drug.  Since Gleevec was my first
>           back then, I still had options.   Being on the last one now,
>           it makes the potential for problems a bit more real and scarey.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can tell you for me that with  all of these drugs a little goes a 
>>>>>>>>long way.  Many of the serious  side effects could have been avoided by 
>>>>>>>>starting at a smaller dose and  increasing only in response to lagging 
>>>>>>>>PCR's.  In both cases with  Gleevec and Sprycel we started at the 
>>>>>>>>normal recommended dose, which  in hind sight was far too much for me!  
>>>>>>>>When we started Tasigna  in Nov, after a three month break, we 
>>>>>>>>monitored my PCR monthly, and  within two months I was down to trace 
>>>>>>>>detectible, and in the third  month I was zero detectible.  That was on 
>>>>>>>>1/4th of the normal  dose!  I do believe that less dose equals less 
>>>>>>>>side effect  risk.  I also think there is something to Michelle's 
>>>>>>>>theory of  using vinegar or lemon juice to increase stomach acid with  
>>>>>>>>Sprycel.  This has been confirmed to me by one of the Docs that  helped 
>>>>>>>>develop Sprycel.  If a low dose is not working well over  two 
>>>>>>>>consecutive PCR's, I would try vinegar, lemon juice or even
>  Coke  with it first, before increasing it.  That will increase the  
> absorption of the drug without increasing the dose itself.  Just  something 
> to think about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Keeping you in my
>           prayers!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fight on,
>>>>>>>>peg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Monday, March
>           10, 2014 10:36:59 AM UTC-7, Beth wrote:
>>>>>>>>Thank you Jeanie, Marty, Millie, and everyone else who send  
>>>>>>>>prayers...etc..I agree how unbelievably important it is to stay in  
>>>>>>>>community and know others are there, thinking of you, listening and  
>>>>>>>>and praying each in their own way for you and one another. I am  still 
>>>>>>>>off chemo...working on back pain....calming it down...getting  ready to 
>>>>>>>>restart up soon. Did BCR on Friday...will see results next  week...and 
>>>>>>>>go from there.  I can tell you for me that with all  of these drugs a 
>>>>>>>>little goes a long way.
>>>>>>>>>As I re uptake sprycel, I am wondering if anyone has had any  success 
>>>>>>>>>managing elevated CPK...with anything besides ongoing  prednizone use? 
>>>>>>>>>Trying to keep that side effect under control from  the get go this 
>>>>>>>>>time....thoughts??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Love to all of you,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original  Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: houtz <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>To:
>             cmlhope <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sat, Mar 8,
>             2014 4:07 pm
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Marty and Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just want you to know that I'm thinking about you and hoping that each 
>>>>>>>>>day you
> will improve and get your numbers to where they should be.  I pray that you're
> in remission soon and that you can get back to life and all it has to offer.
> You've been through so very much, and I hope that you can listen to your 
> surgeon
> and not over do things to soon.  It does take a while to get past any surgery.
> Time heals, so please take it  easy and let your recovery happen.  I'm dealing
> with the pain, and having home care is helping as I don't have to leave the
> house to get the blood work done.  They are getting me a meter to be able to
> monitor my blood thinner from home.  I'm not sure if I'll be approved, but we
> shall see.  I wasn't going to get one, but my nurse says I should have it.  If
> it doesn't work for me, then I'll just have to go get the blood work done.  
> I'm
> not going to think or worry about it. It will either work for me, or it 
> won't..
> time will tell. Meanwhile, you take care and keep healing.  Keep us up on how 
> things are going
> for you.   You're always on my mind and in my heart and prayers.  I think 
> that,
> as a group, we do well in helping one another and as Marty says, that is what
> we're here for.... to help one another. and I am a firm believer that it 
> works.
> I've improved so much in the  past few days and I know that it's because I've
> had all of you to say prayers and encourage  me to get better.  Just know that
> my prayers are being said for all of us. Love and Hugs,
> Millie From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 08 Mar 
> 2014 16:45:15 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Marty and Beth Thanks Beth, I hope everything is good. 
>  Sprycel will get them back  into a
> good place, at least it has worked good for me.
> Keep healing,
> Blessings,
> Jeanie<3 In a message dated 3/6/2014 7:39:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> [email protected] writes: hi Jeanie! Glad to hear from you...I don't know what 
> my counts  are...going
> tomorrow for BCR, will let you know once I get results   back...I was not
> in remission when I had to go off for surgery....so I know  without the meds
> and not in remission that my numbers will be up...so going  back on is a
> priority....
> take care, Beth -----Original  Message-----
> From: ICANDOALLTTC <[email protected]>
> To: cmlhope  <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:53 pm
> Subject:  Re: [CMLHope] Marty Thanks Beth,
> Hang in there; time will heal.  What are your counts since you have  been
> off the drug?
> Yes, it's scary off and scary on the drugs.
> Hope everyone gets better, and we will all have a block party.
> Blessings,
> Jeanie<3 In a message dated 3/6/2014 5:30:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  writes: Dear Marty and Millie and 
> all my other  CML family, Just a note to say I am thinking about you, praying 
> for you, holding  you
> close. I am slowly healing as well...back surgery taking much longer to  heal
> than anyone could predict...nerves and wound healing.... somewhat
> compromised from long term use of our meds...will re-uptake sprycel next
> week....not what surgeon wants..but too long off becomes too  scary to
> me....must get
> numbers back in control.....always a balancing act..for most  I know....my
> woes seem far lighter than many here, so today I am praying  that MIllie's
> pain eases and Marty, - the the new fistula  ripens quickly so it can be used
> as soon as possible....hoping a donor  will come any day...... and Pat 
> E...wherever you are, I am praying for you as well....
> take care to all, love and light, Beth   -----Original  Message-----
> From: Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]_ ([email protected]) >
> To: cmlhope  <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) >
> Sent:  Wed, Mar 5, 2014 7:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Marty Dear Millie and everyone else, Thank you for 
> your concern.  I am slowly getting back to myself. Dialysis
> is becoming more difficult and  I am in need of a kidney transplant soon. A
> new fistula was put into my  other arm but it has to mature for another month
> and a half in order to be  used.  Millie, I'm so sorry to hear that you have 
> to go through  all of that. As
> you pray for me so do I for you and everyone  else. I have to get going now. 
> I'm really tired. Until next time... 18's, Marty On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:21 
> PM, houtz <[email protected]_
> ([email protected]) > wrote: I  am so concerned about Marty.  Has anyone 
> heard from him besides me.  The
> last I heard was days ago and he was having trouble with his  dialysis and
> sounded really bad.  If anyone has heard, would you  please put it on our
> site.  I will write again today and he has  always answered my e-mails, even
> not feeling well.  They were short,  but I knew that he was not doing well.
> If I hear any more, I'll let  you know.  I know that dialysis wasn't going
> well and don't know if  they were able to use his new port or not.  Actually,
> it's not a  port, but has another name that I forget.  I haven't heard from
> any  of you, so if you are checking your e-mails, please let me know what's  
> going on with each one of you. My latest is that, even on 1/2 dose  of the 
> Tasigna, I'm still in
> remission.  The bad news is that every  muscle and joint in my body is 
> screaming
> and
> they put me back on Home  Care.  I can hardly do anything.  I did manage to
> go downstairs  for a while today.  My physical therapist came and had me go
> down..  This after noon my occupational therapist is coming to work on my
> upper body strength.  She made it worse a year ago when she worked on  it, so
> if that happens this time, I'll tell her that I don't want any.  The gal
> that worked on my legs today was very good, and I want to  keep her.  The
> other one doesn't listen to anything you tell her. Oh  well, others have 
> thrown
> her out of their house, and I just might do the  same thing.  I have an aid
> that comes every couple of days to bathe  me as I can't get into the shower
> right now.  I'd fall if I tried.  I can't use my walker very well, and just
> getting from my bedroom to  the bathroom is horrible, causing me so much
> pain.  I have to have  someone with me when I attempt that.  My aid and the
> nurse that comes  a couple of times a week are wonderful.  I had them the last
> two  times I was under home care.  I know that the nurse is going to take
> blood tomorrow.  That's always fun. :>)  I'm trying hard to  do what I have
> to do.  My wonderful son is doing everything for me  right now and I want to
> get back to the point where I can do things for  myself. Enough about me.  I
> just wanted to catch up on these things  with all of you.  I hope that
> you're all doing as well as you can.  Write and tell me how it's going.  Thank
> God for my television,  phone, and computer in my room.  It's nice to be able
> to connect with  the world.  It keeps me out of trouble. Again, if anyone 
> knows  anything about Marty, please let us all know.  If I
> hear anything,  I'll let you know. Marty has become a good friend to me and
> to others on  our site. Hugs,
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