Andre Milton wrote:
> So this brings up a good CM geek point:  upstream or
> public content.  CMSs are often limited by
> downstream publication requiring all content
> modifications to be done on the staging server
> before publication to the production servers.  A 
> public user accessing the production server usually
> never sees the staging server (which is often behind
> a firewall as well) so s/he won't be able to 
> contribute content.

We're mostly working with a static publication
model that's staged to production because there's
a main need for "control" and a strong version
history (prompted through Federal regulation in this
case).

However, the content is highly technical and user
feedback is imperative.  Due to legalities, though,
formal approval is required for content changes
so users submit comments/feedback specific to 
individual pages/documents/sections (unlike 
something like Wicki, we tend to use a small core
team to perform final updates).  

We're mostly reliant upon a "Comments?/Feedback?"
link on the web page, or user reference to location
information in printed publications.  So, I guess it's
the "stupid, but it works, so it's not stupid" kind of
solution.

Despite the "control" aspect where updates are
only made by the organization publishing the content,
I'm a *very* big fan of intimately involving users in
feedback and content review. It's even helpful to
simply have another pair of eyes watching spelling and
grammar (mistakes always get through... we're talking
lots of content, much is esoteric due to specialized
research interest). Ultimately, the goal for many of
our systems is constant content addition *on par with*
constant content review and constant data cleaning.

"Long lived" content is the most trusted content
in our case, since we're always cleaning and pruning
and validating with new content.  Yeah, I know that
sounds weird because big systems typically mean
content gets out-of-date faster than you can keep up
with it.  But, we have the benefit that we're talking
research that was performed, data sets that were
collected, and values that were measured from
research activities.  So, we may later flaw an
entire experiment or research effort, but it's
still an immutable record of what was.  (Sometimes
the flaw is due to poor implementation/execution,
but usually it's due to interdependencies not
understood at the time; later re-analysis with new
information sometimes lets us derive content that
was completely unanticipated.)

> I've seen quite a few creative work arounds for
> this but I'd like to know how devs on this list
> handle it.

I'm also *very* interested in other ideas (processes
or technologies) to promote user contribution.  It
would be nice to have multiple channels of feedback
from users, IMHO.  Pursuit of the ever elusive tacit
knowledge, eh?  ;-)

> I'd also like to hear those that are against it.  :)

I'm curious as to business cases for this as well.
Traditional "static" publishing doesn't emphasize
user feedback (here's my work of fiction, read and
enjoy), but it seems like *everybody* has a, "Comment
on this story!" at the bottom of their publications
now.  Is that *really* a universally applicable
thing anymore??

BTW, for this current thread of "Forum/Email List"
integration with "CMS", I think there needs to be
a good mechanism where emails and forum discussions
are able to integrate easily into the formal CMS.
In some of our environments, the forum generates
maybe 30% of the formal content (yes, it needs
to be cleaned and organized, but the original
authors/sources are always cited, so the thread
history/context must somehow be referenced or
preserved).

--charley
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