> Andr� Milton wrote:
> > <snip>...  We in the CMS space should just engulf
> > the eLearning technologies like a big amoeba.
> > Anyone want to help me define a new eLearning
> > standard?  Hehe...

David O'Dwyer added:
> Anybody got any ideas/thoughts/experience with this?
> 
> LOVE to hear thoughts...

Oooooh!  Cool thoughts!

I think this is a *very* good thing to pursue, but
we must tread (very) lightly.  There are many private
companies (especially traditional media publishers)
and committees (both academic and industry based) that
have tried, and failed, to do this (widely supported
eLearning/content standards).

In general, a BIG and UNDEFINED thing like
unstructured
heterogeneous content is already scary, and the idea
that eLearning (including questions and answers,
material validation, and necessity for distributed
presentation) does not make that SMALLER.

Also, I would assume that after putting one or more
people in a room, the blood would start to pour 
regarding *technology* in addition to *issue* (sad,
but I've seen this so many times).  For example, 
a couple people will want to talk about whether or
not the technology should understand "questions"
or "user response things" that can be validated
(and whether there are specific "well known" versions
of them like True/False, Multiple Choice, Matching,
and Fill-In-The-Blank questions), and then somebody
else wants to specify the markup in XML (Oh... did
you mean we're using the XML technology to spec
our standard?  We're not using Electronic Document
Interchange (EDI), another text-delimited distribution
standard embraced by heathcare, the automotive
industry, and many government agencies?)

Of course, addressing both issue and technology is
valid:  To some extent people must have agreement on
issue so everybody knows what the standard does and
does not represent, and people must also have
agreement on technology so everybody has something
tangible to use (or interchange).  Unfortunately,
strong disagreement in EITHER area is sufficient for
the entire effort to fail.

However, Andr�, I completely agree with you:  It
seems quite reasonable for the CMS community to
engulf the eLearning community, because ultimately
they are the same thing.  The CMS community merely
has to establish "well-known things" like True/False
questions, which is *always* done by the eLearning
community (their bounding of the problem to known
content type specific to eLearning increases their
efficiencies in content management and presentation).

I've spent much time in this area over the last 
decade, and sadly, I've established opinions.  I 
believe it *is* reasonable to establih "well-known"
entities like "questions", and even specific types
of those things like TF, MC, MATCH, FIB, etc.  Also,
I accept XML as a reality for interchange, but I
don't like it for storage.  I prefer simple text files
with well-established formats that are easy to parse
and version for storage to minimize vendor dependance
and maximize accessibility.  That requires agreement
on technology, and others may not that technology
opinion.  But, these are only opinions, and a good
argument can probably sway me because ultimately my
personality requires external validation.  Right?

So, if there is an effort to pursue eLearning 
standards or guidelines by the CMS community, I'd
like to play until the others in the group realize
that I'm annoying to have around, and they then kick
me out of the group.  Of course, since I'm also 
probably codependent and constantly thirst for
attention, there's a chance I won't leave so you'll
have to actively block my email address.

--charley
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