Definitely End for End is faster, but only if the Helm remembers that
the ForeDeck Union is in control at that point.
That applies for both End for End and Dip Pole. The only difference is
that with Dip pole, the Foredeck Union can recover because the
guy isn't loaded until the foredeck person says so. In end for end if
the helm doesn't follow the union rules, the union calls a strike action
and then nothing much happens but a bunch of negotion usually at high
volumes and from as far apart as the parties
can manage. Eventually there will be a common agreement made and
harmony will ensue.
I have dip pole on my 30 because it's easier to handle short handed in
that I can run DDW, have a person go to the fordeck,
trip the guy, move it over clip up the new guy, have the person snug all
the new lines up,finish the gybe and we're off.
2 people can do this happily. No, it's not fast. I also use the boat
to train younger people who have never seen that happen
before, so it's kinda fun when you get a 16 or 17 420 or I-14 sailor out
and they ask why there are so many lines for the spin.
I wouldn't be afraid of doing end for end on 35's, we do so on the
Benneteau 36.7 with relative ease, but we also
have 6 people who have sailed together for a couple of decades so people
are typically in-sync and all the union
negotiations happend at least a decade ago, so there is labour peace.
:-) ....Usually...sometimes a grievance is filed,
but it is usually dealt with over a rhum or two.
Enjoy.
Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
Armdale Y.C.
On 17/09/2012 7:03 PM, Dennis C. wrote:
Oh,no! Not the dip pole vs end for end gibes discussion again? :)
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Joel,
"Conventional wisdom" says that a 35 footer is the break point for dip
pole vs end for end gybes. IMHO, that is tempered by the material
comprising the pole. I think with a carbon pole, one could do end for
end gibes in slightly larger boats.
Anyway, to answer your question to Keith, we do end for end gybes on
Touche', a 35-1. I've done foredeck on 24 to 40 footers for over 20
years and on Touche' for 13 years. In my area, we strongly feel that
end for ends are faster and reduce the potential for collapsing the
chute. We've done end for ends in 20 knots with "relative" ease.
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Boat_Sig Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
Armdale Y.C.
Halifax
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