Thanks much for this great discussion. We have our '76 C&C 33 mkI on the hard 
in Charleston SC right now for routine maintenance. Will definitely take a good 
look at the rudder. 
Barbara Hickson Fellers
"Flight Risk"


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On Oct 20, 2012, at 12:50 AM, "Rick Brass" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The rudder stock on my 38 was bent during a hard grounding in a thunderstorm
> in 2004. Actually it was OK until TowBoat US pulled me over the shoal
> instead of pulling me out the way I had come in. Insurance authorized the
> yard to heat and straighten the rudder shaft (BIG Mistake!) and reglass the
> top of the rudder after the repair.
> 
> 
> Five years later, water had gotten into the top of the rudder and the shaft
> broke because of crevice corrosion. I lost the blade. The yard (same one
> that did the first bad repair) had a rudder stock off a 38LF that had lost
> the skins off the rudder blade. They had purchased a 38LF rudder from C&C
> Yachts (in the process discovering that there were two different diameter
> rudder stocks on the 38LFs in the 70s) Tartan C&C Yachts can build rudders
> for many of the older models at a cost of $3800 according to the website.
> Call Alex Avery. Unfortunately they have drawings for the Landfall but not
> the 38 mk1 & mk2.
> 
> I found 3 sources that had made aftermarket C&C rudders. Competition
> Composites in Canada quoted CDN$2900 using the rudder stock I had purchased
> (+ $1600 to build a new rudder stock). Phil's Foils are in Canada and make a
> lot of racing foils, and quoted CDN$2250 using my rudder stock. Foss Foam in
> Florida was $2400 US including shipping, The first two cast foam on the
> rudder stock and web, CNC machine the foil, and wrap the foam in
> glass/Kevlar/epoxy. I think of it as building from the inside out.
> 
> Foss casts two halves of the skin, sandwiches around the stock and web, and
> injects foam. Then the joint is reinforced with Kevlar & epoxy. I think of
> this as outside in.
> 
> There was some discussion I found on the web that the outside in method
> might be less durable if water gets into the foam and freezes over the
> winter, or if you have a dark colored rudder in warm water and bright sun.
> Foss did suggest painting the rudder a light color, but told me all the
> things they do to prevent water intrusion and to reinforce the seam against
> expansion of the foam.
> 
> I went with Foss because of a lower cost, less hassles, and quicker
> delivery. So far I'm quite happy with the new rudder.
> 
> 
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex
> Giannelia
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement
> 
> Has anyone on the list replaced or re-built their rudder?
> 
> ALEX GIANNELIA
> 
> CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED
> ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006
> Toronto Ontario
> 
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