Marty, For me the top 5 reasons are the bowman, pit man, grinders and trimmer! Its no fun racing with a pickup crew against a bunch of people who show up in uniform having practiced and brought out the North rep as a coach.
Joel 35/3 On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Martin DeYoung <[email protected]>wrote: > ************ > > A well sailed J42 races in the SYC racer/cruiser class. The owner is > experienced, his crew mostly long term friends. The J42 and Calypso moor > close enough together that we are able to toss out a few pre-race verbal > encouragements as we leave Shilshole Bay Marina.**** > > ** ** > > The J42 owes Calypso a little time per our PHRFNW ratings. Neither of us > makes much use of the “cruiser credits”. We are often within shouting > distance at mark rounding and the finish order is typically decide by the > quality of our strategic and tactical decisions. We both enjoy the close > competition however I believe the J’s crew takes the racing more serious > than the Calypso crew.**** > > ** ** > > One race, on a +-7 mile headsail reach leg from Blakely Rocks to Duwamish > Head the J42 rounded ½ mile ahead. Calypso enjoys a good headsail reach in > 12 to 15 TWS and we were catching up. I was a little more attentive to > sail trim and put off making sandwiches in my competitive fervor. As we > closed, (constant bearing, decreasing range, from astern) Calypso’s > co-owner with helm in hand asked what course to steer to avoid close > quarters. I stated my preference for pointing the bow directly at the > J42’s backstay until we were at biscuit tossing range. Once Calypso was > within a boat length I went forward to the pulpit and politely inquired if > the J could “get out of our way as we were racing”. Based on the J’s > owner’s reaction I suspect the Calypso crew found this comment funnier than > the J’s crew. Fortunately I do not recall which boat one that race on > corrected time but the J42 did cross the line first.**** > > ** ** > > The SYC Racer/Cruiser committee determines what defines a boat that is > outside of the racer/cruiser class intent. If a newer high powered > “cruise” boat with a newbie owner/crew wants to learn a little about racing > and how to use their sails better exceptions have been made. One race a > +-50’ catamaran participated. They had a 3 generation crew with a lot of > small children. It looked like all had fun until the wind went light.**** > > ** ** > > The SYC racer/cruiser committee has asked for suggestions to increase > participation, especially of those boats that previously raced a few races > a year then faded away and spend too much time at the dock. From the > recent topics here on the CnC list I get the sense crew hassles are a major > disincentive to come out and play.**** > > ** ** > > What else makes the top 5 reasons to back away from low impact racing?**** > > ** ** > > Martin**** > > Calypso**** > > 1970 C&C 43**** > > ****Seattle******** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt, > Mike > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:49 AM > > *To:* **[email protected]** > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Racing > **** > > ** ** > > Steve**** > > **** > > What sort of boat do you have that makes a J30 new? That is a 1979 boat > and the handicaps for boats of that era and earlier are very well > established.**** > > **** > > We have had a 1974 C&C 25 race at our club that was unbeatable.**** > > We have a slightly older Redline 25 that is very competitive**** > > We have a 1960s vintage Redwing 30 that is now almost impossible to > beat... as well as another Redwing that likes to win in certain winds.**** > > **** > > I think the key is not to mix race prepped boats and non prepped boats in > one fleet where possible or to handicap with a golf system. The one > proviso is that you absolutely cannot reward poor boat prep and really poor > sailing with credits to handcap that encourage a horribly sailed and > prepped boat to win. On the other hand a boat that is loaded up to go on > vacation should not have to take off all the supplies and swap roller > furling headsails etc just to race a 2 hour club race. That said - > the loaded up cruise ready boat still has to show good sailing skills to be > competitive**** > > **** > > Lunenburg Yacht Club in ****Nova Scotia**** has a sliding handicap scale > that is based on performance for their evening race series. Ian Mann of > LYC is always happy to explain it to anyone who asks. I think this sort of > system is the best way to handle a race prepped boat and crew of very good > sailors that enters a Mom and Pop JAM series rather than flying spin with > their peers. Forces that person to have to work very hard for a win ...** > ** > > **** > > 0.02**** > > **** > > Mike**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Rosen > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:28 AM > *To:* **[email protected]** > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Racing**** > > unfortunately the Offsoundings race committee ( who have a good rating for > enthusiasm, but less for accuracy and planning) have allowed racing boats > like J30s and the the like to sail in the cruising fleet making those of us > with older boat designs simply out of the running for any placement since > they get the same points regardless of the division they race in a first or > second in non spin is the same as in the racing classes.**** > > One of the reasons the Offsoundings fleet is diminishing year by year**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Martin DeYoung <[email protected]> **** > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:49 PM**** > > *To:* Dennis C. <[email protected]> ; [email protected] **** > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Racing**** > > ** ** > > Dennis,**** > > ** ** > > I agree with your comments if racing is defined as competitive fleets on > W/L courses.**** > > ** ** > > Here in the PNW the participation in point to point races by race/cruise > designs is increasing. One of each year’s highest participation races > (typically 70 to 80 boats, 24’ to 67’) is the Sloop Tavern Yacht Club Race > to the Straits. The fleet races out (northwest from ****Seattle****) to > Port Townsend (+-30 miles), spend the night plus a party, then race back on > Sunday. This is a pursuit race so the slower rated boats have a chance to > be at the dock first.**** > > ** ** > > Seattle Yacht Club added a race/cruise fleet to their Tri-Island series. > High powered, planing “cruise” boats are not allowed. Rating credits are > given for old sails and other cruise boat attributes. Half way times are > taken in case light wind prevents finishing before the time limit (typ. 6 > to 8 hours). For the last few years the race/cruise classes had more > boats on the start line than most of the competitive classes. I enter > Calypso in this series and enjoy close competition with similar age/design > boats mostly crewed with family and friends. Protests are discouraged; > courtesy and sportsmanship are promoted as is helping newbies learn the > ropes.**** > > ** ** > > The Elliott Bay Marina puts on a fun “race” Thursday evenings during the > summer. A 100 boats may show up. Costume themed nights occur. Slow boats > can motor if necessary to finish in time for the party (keg, live band, > munchies). One small yacht club runs a race for liveaboards named > something like “Race your House”, IIRC the turnout was low (<12) but it got > people out on their boats. Tuesday evening on ****Lake** ** Union****the > “Duck Dodge” race and party might have 30 to 60 boats crammed onto the > inner city lake surrounded by houseboats, restaurants, and marinas. The > after race raft up party is well attended.**** > > ** ** > > I am optimistic that the efforts by local yachts club’s efforts to tailor > races/events to the larger race/cruise audience will reverse the > race/cruise boat participation trend.**** > > ** ** > > Martin**** > > Calypso**** > > 1970 C&C 43**** > > ****Seattle******** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of > ***Dennis > C.** > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:58 PM > *To:* Cn Clist > *Subject:* Stus-List Racing**** > > ** ** > > An adjunct to the transition to cruising thread.**** > > ** ** > > Racing is evolving to smaller boats. Typical new race boat now is 20-30 > feet, fractional rig, non-overlapping headsail (frequently on a furler) and > possibly a sprit.**** > > ** ** > > Race boats are moving in the direction of high performance, planing hulls > and less crew. **** > > ** ** > > Handwriting on the wall = if you have one of our older IOR design > "classic" boats, move away from hardcore racing and more towards cruising > or beercan racing.**** > > ** ** > > **Dennis C.****** > > Touche' 35-1 #83**** > > ****Mandeville**, **LA******** > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected]**** > > > Stephen Rosen > p: 973 692 1083 > c: 860-460-6975 > [email protected]**** > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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