And an amendment: they assume there are separate classes/fleets. There is no
intermixing of spin and non spin boats in this scheme.
Our two local organizations do mix the fleets - our Wed Nite group adds 10
percent for non spin boats and it almost works, depending on the course. Our
Saturday racers (small club, only about 10 boats with handicaps from 75 to 250)
adds 15% for non spinnaker and half that if you are using a cruising chute
flown from the bow - no pole or sprit. That almost works as well, but it allows
folks with small or inexperienced crew to come out and get experience.
Needless to say, it creates many interesting arguments each spring when we
revisit the SI's.
Gary
Miles River - smooth water off the Chesapeake
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Nylander
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
What Ches Bay has done is assign a non-spin rating for boats (which are rated
with a spinnaker) and are racing without one (like at frostbites or in a
non-spinnaker fleet).
The only time the rating is different is when the spinnaker rating takes into
account some non-normal factor, such as the J-24 I race on at times, which has
a masthead chute. It is the standard J-24 rating of 171 without the spinnaker
because the bigger spinnaker is not being used, and 165 with the chute.
Similar, a friend has a C&C 115, which rates 75 with spinnaker (longer than
standard pole) and 78 without.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Hoyt, Mike
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
Explain how non spin and spin ratings are the same?
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Brodersen
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
Tim,
I have a base rating of 123, which I think we can sail to pretty well in
non-spin. Our boat has the same rating for spin and non-spin. For comparison,
the J30 is rated at 141 here.
When we sail with the spin fleet we have worked our way into the middle of
the pack, which is about where I expect to be, based on our experience. The
J30 keeps pace with us going upwind. We tend to do better going downwind. We
do have some good local talent that we sail against, including a J30 national
one-design champion. Most of our equipment is up to par, although both our .5
oz. and .75 oz. chutes are over 15 years old. They are in need of replacement,
but still hold a pretty good shape. It's just the material is no longer as
crisp as it once was.
What we really like is the kick ass performance of the boat in the non-spin
fleet. The boat is tough to beat in light air and we have plenty of that on
the Chesapeake.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Handicap review
Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association is planning to review the C&C 35-3
PHRF handicap on March 26th. I've been invited to present our case with the
owner of the only other 35-3 racing in the area.
35-3 owners (and others), what are your ratings (spinnaker) and how do they
compare, and how are your results, against boats such as those below that we
typically race against (I added a couple of other C&C's too)? The ECSA racing
area (Long Island Sound) is predominantly light air.
Thanks,
Tim
Soverel 33
89
C&C 99
98
Evelyn 32-2
99
Express 34
99
X372
100
Frers 33
108
J/29 MHOB
114
C&C 38-3
115
C&C 35-3
117
Santana 30-30
120
C&C 36
132
J/30
135
C&C 34
144
C&C 33
149
C&C 30-1
168
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