Josh, Thanks for the details. That helps a lot.
Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Muckley" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:43:42 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailmakers I checked again and found that it was actually Challenge 8.62 cloth. It was recommended by the sail maker, Clark McKinney. He is a strong competitor in the local sail races and has been the owner operator of the local Quantum sail loft for at least the last 10 years and probably closer to 20. He had samples that I could feel, both new and in service (old). Then he described how the cloth is made and the failure mode as to why the sail becomes blown out. He clearly stated that the sail cloth doesn't actually "wear out" to the point of having holes and thin spots but rather loses it's ability to resist stretching against the bias. This stretching is what causes a sail to have reached its end of life. The stretch can be identified by the diagonal ripples radiating from the tack, clew, and sometimes the head. By this time the draft has moved aft and no amount of halyard or foot tension will help. The boat blows over instead of being lifted forward. Quantum also already designs very deep reinforcement patches at the head, tack and clew. The cheaper, lighter cloth from Bacon (China sails) was Supercruise 8.4 and is more likely to lose it's shape sooner. The cloth I chose had finer threads more tightly woven. You could see it. When pulled against the bias you could tell an even bigger difference. It also used a lesser amount of hardening resin. The resin gives it even more resistance to stretch but can lead to crease damage if you're not careful and the raw edges have the ability to cut the hands. I have sliced under my fingernails during a race more times than I can count. The resin won't last as long as the thread so when it wears out the sail will be allowed to distort. Had I had a Hood sail loft nearby I would have gone to them. They have a cloth called vectron. It is vectran synthetic fiber interwoven with Dacron. Check out the link to compare prices and specs. I included both original estimates. One from Bacon (China sail) and one from Quantum. Then I also have the final CAD design and estimate from Quantum and the competitive quote from Quantum. https :// docs.google.com /folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yTXFxb2RQVGJqb0E/edit Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http:// en.wikipedia.org /wiki/ GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https :// docs.google.com /file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit Please explain reasons for choosing Quantum 8.4 Challenge cross cut? There are so many choices, and sails are an expensive, long term investment. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: "Josh Muckley" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:36:23 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailmakers Just had my main made by Quantum with ~8.4 Challenge sail cloth...cross cut. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit On Feb 24, 2013 11:30 AM, "william striegel" < [email protected] > wrote: anything wrong w a cross cut main for my C&C 34? using challenge 7.62? vs a tri-radial from north using nordac radian? or is tri-radial overkill. Bill Striegel C&C 34, #419 On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jim Aridas < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Chuck, No Ron did not put me up to it. Funny how small the sailing world is. He is a great guy btw. I have known him for humm... Wow since 1988 when I got my first "big " sail boat (28 Columbia ). I have raced many times with him over the years. Really knows his stuff. Actually he sold C&C boats before I knew him! I am going with 3DL for a 155% ,replacing a previous north sail,this time with taffeta on one side to hold up better. They have great discounts on 3DL till mar 1st. I am also ordering a #2 (135%) just haven't decided on material. Might just go with a norlam material . Its about a 1k difference and I don't think a performance difference I will notice. Mainsails... My boat's sail plan has a tall skinny main which was the design of the time. I believe the 34R is similar as well. Ron's advice, when he designed my main, was to go with norlam. He felt the main does not really drive the boat and 3DL would just be overkill. After 5 seasons , the main still performs well,held its shape, and looks good. Now if you had your mind set on 3DL don't let me sway your decision. I had a 3DL on my Pearson 30 and loved it. The nice part of the norlam is its easier to flake on the boom. Or should I say I'm easier on my crew with the norlam at flaking time! Chuck, feel free to drop my name to Ron when you speak again. I look forward to seeing you in AC. Also my club Metedeconk River YC is on board this year to help sponsor . Also my good friend Jim Walsh will be PRO. He runs a great race! Jim Aridas Galaxy Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Chuck S < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Congratulations!! Did Ron Laneve from North Sails ask you to mention that to me? I'm considering a new mainsail myself, and we talked just yesterday. Are you ordering 3DL? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: "Jim Aridas" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:44:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Economic justification for owning a boat Oh in staying with the thread.... Dropping $9000 at the local North loft on Monday. Yes Chuck we are crazy! Jim Galaxy Brielle, NJ Btw just tooling up for AC race week! Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Ed Dooley < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I look at it being cheaper than marriage counseling. And luckily here on Lake Champlain in Vermont you can put a mooring in wherever you want for free. It's regulated by your access, so our mooring is in Converse Bay in Charlotte, which has a state fishing/boating access ramp. We're allowed to park in the lot overnight, and we have their one dock to tie up the dinghy when we need to. Moslt of our sailing friends that aren't near us or in the 2 nearby marinas moor at Kingsland Bay state park where they're allowed to keep their dinghies on shore at the park. Ed On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Chuck S < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Agree, it's expensive just owning a boat. We're all crazy! But in a good way somehow? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: "Della Barba, Joe" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:22:37 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Economic justification for owning a boat I pay $3,000/yr just for my slip. A lot of cruises are a lot less than that. Not that I would go on one for free - just sayin' Joe Della Barba -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of OldSteveH Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 8:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Stus-List Economic justification for owning a boat Agree except for the costs of cruises. I'm fairly sure the cost of maintaining, improving, slipping and hauling my boat annually is about equivalent to one person on one decent cruise (incl airfare). BTW John, what is your hull#. Mine is #442. Cheers, Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl C&C 34 Lions Head ON ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:09:30 -0500 From: "John and Maryann Read" < [email protected] > To: < [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Economic justification for owning a boat Message-ID: <00a501ce10f5$78d1a440$6a74ecc0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Well and truly said John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:50 AM To: Dennis C.; [email protected] Subject: Re: Stus-List Economic justification for owning a boat You wake up, quietly get in the dinghy with the dogs, push off and drift 50 feet away before starting the outboard, and head to shore. The dogs pee while you get the morning paper and some coffee from the coffee shop. Heading back out to the mooring field with the morning sun flooding the anchorage with an orange glow you gently climb back aboard to surprise your still sleeping wife with the treats from shore and think you wouldn?t be anywhere else for ANY amount of money. Or the sane people realize they could go on a cruise ship or other expensive vacation two or three times a year for what it costs to run the boat. So we the not-quite-right sail on and the sheeple get herded here and there on the latest discount tour to some tourist hell. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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